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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:43 pm    Post subject: Congress begs for socialism in FAA from Boeing Reply with quote

Boeing Chief Executive Dennis Muilenburg testifies before Congress on grounded 737 MAX that was involved in two fatal crashes that killed 346 people.
MPs started carefully asking Muilenburg for advice how to change the FAA.
"I have the greates respect for the FAA an its members. For I worked with them for so many years," he said.
At this point Congress should have ended the questioning already, they should have said to Muilenburg: "That agency - in mishandling the certification process of your new airliner - had not just grounded your product but perhaps crashed your company in the long run! How on earth do you respect them? We don't have that kind of respect. Come back to us when you changed your mind."

But, as the system stands right now, any change to the FAA is highly dependend on the mony and directions coming from Boeing lobbyists. Congress doesn't have the authority to make the changes needed without allowance of the Boeing Chief Executive Dennis Muilenburg.

So they beg him two more hours for more socialism to be implemented into the FAA. In Europe we would call it the normal deep state needed to function safely - which is a "Law and Order" thing for conservatives and progressives alike and not is called socialism.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just for your edification, ulenrich: We do not have a parliament, and thus do not have MPs. We have members of the House (Congressmen and Congresswomen) and members of the Senate (Senators).
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just for your edification, ulenrich: We do not have a parliament, and thus do not have MPs. We have members of the House (Congressmen and Congresswomen) and members of the Senate (Senators).


The only MPs America has are the Military Police on US military bases.

ulenrich, the words you are probably implying are : congressmen, congressional representatives, or simply representatives. Though I would be perfectly fine if you called them parasites.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Though I would be perfectly fine if you called them parasites.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Old School wrote:
Just for your edification, ulenrich: We do not have a parliament, and thus do not have MPs. We have members of the House (Congressmen and Congresswomen) and members of the Senate (Senators).


The only MPs America has are the Military Police on US military bases.

ulenrich, the words you are probably implying are : congressmen, congressional representatives, or simply representatives. Though I would be perfectly fine if you called them parasites.
@Muso
You don't seem to be a friend of the U.S. Constitution though. Otherwise you could drop some of these names and promote change instead of name dropping against the legislature.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Old School wrote:
Just for your edification, ulenrich: We do not have a parliament, and thus do not have MPs. We have members of the House (Congressmen and Congresswomen) and members of the Senate (Senators).


The only MPs America has are the Military Police on US military bases.

ulenrich, the words you are probably implying are : congressmen, congressional representatives, or simply representatives. Though I would be perfectly fine if you called them parasites.
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You don't seem to be a friend of the U.S. Constitution though. Otherwise you could drop some of these names and promote change instead of name dropping against the legislature.
Muso is a staunch defender of the Constitution. That is why he names modern politicians as parasites.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The interesting but not at all obvious part is that the Founders knew politicians would be parasites. That's why the Constitution makes it difficult for them to do anything.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wswartzendruber wrote:
The interesting but not at all obvious part is that the Founders knew politicians would be parasites. That's why the Constitution makes it difficult for them to do anything.


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Look at Robert Francis O'Rourke (calls himself "Beto", lol). He's campaigning on violating the first, second, and fourth amendments. For the first amendment, he's specifically trying to make the lolgov violate the free exercise clause by forcing any church that isn't WOKE to pay money to the government. For the second and fourth, he wants to send government agents door to door to collect firearms from citizens against their will. The 10th amendment violations are obvious as well.

I'm expecting his next pledge to be to violate the third and force homeowners to house the military against the wishes of the homeowner. It's not a stretch, O'Rourke is a complete idiot. It's rare to see someone just blatantly campaigning on burning the constitution.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beto... Idaho (including our law enforcement) are going to tell that guy to fuck right off and die should he become president.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old School wrote:
ulenrich wrote:
Muso wrote:
Old School wrote:
Just for your edification, ulenrich: We do not have a parliament, and thus do not have MPs. We have members of the House (Congressmen and Congresswomen) and members of the Senate (Senators).


The only MPs America has are the Military Police on US military bases.

ulenrich, the words you are probably implying are : congressmen, congressional representatives, or simply representatives. Though I would be perfectly fine if you called them parasites.
@Muso
You don't seem to be a friend of the U.S. Constitution though. Otherwise you could drop some of these names and promote change instead of name dropping against the legislature.
Muso is a staunch defender of the Constitution. That is why he names modern politicians as parasites.
So, I totally misunderstood:
It is about waging civil war in favor of some constitutional amendments - assumingely to save these rights.

For me a constitution proclaiming all these rights but neglecting power sharing is worth nothing: I have witnessed such a constitution in my neighbourhood some 50 miles apart: All the human rights were proclaimed in that fine constitution of Eastern Germany. The defaming of non conforming persons a "bourgiose parasite" was the method of the authoritarian suppression in that communist part of Germany.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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For me a constitution proclaiming all these rights but neglecting power sharing is worth nothing: I have witnessed such a constitution in my neighbourhood some 50 miles apart: All the human rights were proclaimed in that fine constitution of Eastern Germany. The defaming of non conforming persons a "bourgiose parasite" was the method of the authoritarian suppression in that communist part of Germany.
I understand that you have probably never read the US Constitution; why should you, but part of the Constitution proclaiming "rights" was the last to be initially ratified. Most of the Constitution does exactly what you must be unaware of. It sets in clear language the "power sharing" you mentioned; what we call the "Separation of Powers" where we are supposed to have three co-equal branches of government; the Executive (President) the Legislative (Congress) and Judicial (the courts). If you are really interested, you should read it. It isn't that long of a document. And it isn't copyrighted. Any country can use it.

Over the centuries, the Executive has gained, in my opinion, way too much power.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Old School , Muso said
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Though I would be perfectly fine if you called them parasites.

Therefore I assume Muso not is a friend of the U.S. Constitution but only likes the weapons amendment.
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In an interview about their new Terminal the Delta CEO advertizes "We don't fly the Max" .
Something similar I hear in yesterdays grilling of the Being CEO from a Congressman (who is not an MP), who said: "I would go by train but not take a seat in your Max"
Have you seen the photographes from the large fields were all the newly built Boeing 737 Max have their parking lots?
Scary .... reminds me of the big cities in China where there is no human being.

So, all of it plays down to the FAA must not be outsourced private business. Socialism prevents catastrophes. And regulations are claimed a requirement for true market competition in other sectors too. (Zuckerberg asks for data security regulations like in Europe)
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ulenrich wrote:
@Old School , Muso said
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Though I would be perfectly fine if you called them parasites.

Therefore I assume Muso not is a friend of the U.S. Constitution but only likes the weapons amendment.


No, I love the constitution. originally, there wasn't this idea of a permanent political class. People had lives, they'd pick a representative to vote on matters in Washington. That representative would finish his turn and come home to go back to his life. It was never designed to be the permanent job it is today.

Free exercise, free association, and free speech are paramount to my ideals. The other amendments are important as well and the second amendment simply guarantees them all.
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No, I love the constitution. originally, there wasn't this idea of a permanent political class. People had lives, they'd pick a representative to vote on matters in Washington. That representative would finish his turn and come home to go back to his life. It was never designed to be the permanent job it is today.
But that idea wasn't true from the beginning: 500BC in Athens the electorate of this direct democracy was of men not working (like as a slave they would say). And they determined office by chance in a way everyone could have the duty of administration for a very short time.

You could further say journalists are parasites, because in the middle ages the news were gathered by merchants on their journeys. And to medicate your teeth there was the barber shop.
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ulenrich wrote:
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No, I love the constitution. originally, there wasn't this idea of a permanent political class. People had lives, they'd pick a representative to vote on matters in Washington. That representative would finish his turn and come home to go back to his life. It was never designed to be the permanent job it is today.
But that idea wasn't true from the beginning: 500BC in Athens the electorate of this direct democracy was of men not working (like as a slave they would say). And they determined office by chance in a way everyone could have the duty of administration for a very short time.

You could further say journalists are parasites, because in the middle ages the news were gathered by merchants on their journeys. And to medicate your teeth there was the barber shop.


The timescale I'm using isn't stretching back to antiquity, just to the beginning of the American experiment.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Socialism prevents catastrophes.
LOL

Socialism IS a catastrophe. Eastern Europe in the second half of the 20th century is a great example.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Socialism is the root cause of the 20th century's worst tragedies.

Nazism & Communism are both born from socialism. Socialism is a failed ideology that leads to death.
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ulenrich wrote:
Socialism prevents catastrophes.

Uhm...yeah...I'm going to have to go with false on this one. You know, just based from personal experience in the old Soviet block back in the 1990s.

Who knows, though, maybe Mongolia was a bad example. Perhaps a region closer to your neck of the woods (East Germany) did really well from it. What with everyone trying to jump the wall to get in from West Germany...
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wswartzendruber wrote:
ulenrich wrote:
Socialism prevents catastrophes.

Uhm...yeah...I'm going to have to go with false on this one. You know, just based from personal experience in the old Soviet block back in the 1990s.

Who knows, though, maybe Mongolia was a bad example. Perhaps a region closer to your neck of the woods (East Germany) did really well from it. What with everyone trying to jump the wall to get in from West Germany...

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Don't forget the wonderful automobiles being produced in Eastern Europe at the time. :lol:

And socialism sure did prevent nuclear accidents too. :wink:
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Don't forget the wonderful automobiles being produced in Eastern Europe at the time. :lol:

I surely refer to swedish socialism not communism. An yes , the label VOLVO was an assurance for savety built in the car for decades.
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Don't forget the wonderful automobiles being produced in Eastern Europe at the time. :lol:

I surely refer to swedish socialism not communism. An yes , the label VOLVO was an assurance for savety built in the car for decades.


Sweden's capitalist. Old School is referring to the garbage Russian and other "behind the iron curtain" countries during the cold war.
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Don't forget the wonderful automobiles being produced in Eastern Europe at the time. :lol:

I surely refer to swedish socialism not communism. An yes , the label VOLVO was an assurance for savety built in the car for decades.
Sweden has a capitalist economy, not socialist! The country has low taxes for business and very little government regulations. It does have a comprehensive safety net for it's very small, homogeneous population, but that is NOT socialism. East Germany was socialism, and Trabants were garbage!
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ulenrich wrote:
In an interview about their new Terminal the Delta CEO advertizes "We don't fly the Max" .
Something similar I hear in yesterdays grilling of the Being CEO from a Congressman (who is not an MP), who said: "I would go by train but not take a seat in your Max"
Have you seen the photographes from the large fields were all the newly built Boeing 737 Max have their parking lots?
Scary .... reminds me of the big cities in China where there is no human being.

So, all of it plays down to the FAA must not be outsourced private business. Socialism prevents catastrophes. And regulations are claimed a requirement for true market competition in other sectors too. (Zuckerberg asks for data security regulations like in Europe)


Let me add that holders of massive companies like regulations because they have the funding and ability to work through them but new competition does not. So when Zuck goes to Washington to advocate for regulations that he already intends to abide by, he uses congressional authority to stifle his competition. Large businesses and congressmen collaborating benefits both parties at the expense of the small entrepreneurial class. This is what is meant by crony capitalism and it is why our career congressmen are more like parasites than men. I think Muso and I would both say that this current arrangement is not what the original framers of the constitution would have intended.
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Let me add that holders of massive companies like regulations because they have the funding and ability to work through them but new competition does not. So when Zuck goes to Washington to advocate for regulations that he already intends to abide by, he uses congressional authority to stifle his competition. Large businesses and congressmen collaborating benefits both parties at the expense of the small entrepreneurial class. This is what is meant by crony capitalism and it is why our career congressmen are more like parasites than men. I think Muso and I would both say that this current arrangement is not what the original framers of the constitution would have intended.


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Beautifully stated. 0% disagreement.
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