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What console seat management do you use on your workstation? |
consolekit/consolekit2 |
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11% |
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elogind |
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30% |
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systemd (systemd-logind) |
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8% |
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Something else...explain? |
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0% |
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I do not use seat management (the way UN*X always was) |
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45% |
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Don't know |
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eccerr0r Watchman
Joined: 01 Jul 2004 Posts: 9679 Location: almost Mile High in the USA
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Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:14 pm Post subject: Consolekit? elogind? systemd-logind? None? |
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Well, I'm curious what the distribution is like for Gentoo users that use Gentoo as a workstation.
So: for your most often used Gentoo machine that you sit at and do work/play/whatever, what console management system do you use if any?
Do NOT count servers or other machines that you connect via network only. If a server just so happens to be the machine you sit at console, then count it.
Note that this is not counting whether you use a graphical login manager, but rather a console seat manager. You probably chose one when you chose to install a desktop environment, so curious what you use. If you use more than one system, then just pick one you use.
Just wondering how soon consolekit might get lastrited in portage due to lack of use :( _________________ Intel Core i7 2700K/Radeon R7 250/24GB DDR3/256GB SSD
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NeddySeagoon Administrator
Joined: 05 Jul 2003 Posts: 54236 Location: 56N 3W
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Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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eccerr0r,
/etc/portage/package.mask: | # an over my dead body hard mask
# dump GNOME and anything else that has this as a hard dependency at any version
sys-apps/systemd
# go back to a static /dev
sys-fs/eudev
sys-fs/udev
sys-auth/polkit
sys-auth/consolekit
media-sound/pulseaudio
#depends on ... at 008 and I've never fixed it
>=sys-apps/usbutils-008 |
elogind is use flag controlled meanwhile but I've Got a Little List. _________________ Regards,
NeddySeagoon
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those that do backups
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Hund Apprentice
Joined: 18 Jul 2016 Posts: 218 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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I don't use anything, I really don't need it as I'm a mere simple user. _________________ Collect memories, not things. |
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Gatsby Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 18 Jan 2010 Posts: 116 Location: 127.0.0.1
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Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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*kit-free kde5/plasma with no seat management (no consolekit, no elogind). _________________ Γνωθι σεαυτον. |
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Fitzcarraldo Advocate
Joined: 30 Aug 2008 Posts: 2034 Location: United Kingdom
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Ant P. Watchman
Joined: 18 Apr 2009 Posts: 6920
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Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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Like most of the several billion Linux users on the planet, I have one seat and multiple devices. I don't need middle management for my ass. |
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dmpogo Advocate
Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 3267 Location: Canada
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Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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elogind, mostly because of Skype |
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marcthe12 n00b
Joined: 04 Sep 2019 Posts: 4
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Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:44 am Post subject: |
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Elogind, Kms moderating needs root and the only way with running Xorg or Wayland as root is elogind. Now I wish if someone could create the elogind alternative that just does that and have Xorg and Wayland use is it.
Personally I do no care about elogind or systemd for that matter but have 100 issues with Pam polkit and glibc nsswitch stuff. |
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krinn Watchman
Joined: 02 May 2003 Posts: 7470
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Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:13 am Post subject: |
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I think your question is badly ask, you should more seek "who the fuck use seats"? rather than if anyone use this or that for seats
For now even ones answering "i use elogind" are telling you they don't use it for that purpose. |
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Fitzcarraldo Advocate
Joined: 30 Aug 2008 Posts: 2034 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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krinn wrote: | I think your question is badly ask, you should more seek "who the fuck use seats"? rather than if anyone use this or that for seats
For now even ones answering "i use elogind" are telling you they don't use it for that purpose. |
Well, eccerr0r also wrote "Just wondering how soon consolekit might get lastrited in portage due to lack of use :(" so I think it's fair enough for people who use a single-seat machine to answer as well. Actually, I have been wondering the same thing myself. _________________ Clevo W230SS: amd64, VIDEO_CARDS="intel modesetting nvidia".
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OpenRC udev elogind & KDE on both.
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arnvidr l33t
Joined: 19 Aug 2004 Posts: 629 Location: Oslo, Norway
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Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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I use elogind because of sys-auth/polkit, but I'm trying to get rid of both. _________________
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eccerr0r Watchman
Joined: 01 Jul 2004 Posts: 9679 Location: almost Mile High in the USA
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Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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This summarizes how I use my workstations: I put in a chair for my computer even though I'm mostly the only one sitting in them. I let other people sit in it when they come but mostly it's still my seat. I suspect others install a seat on their one console machine for whatever reason too. So yes, people using a single seat should answer, don't care of reason but you're welcome to share as some have (skype... booo....), just wanted to know what brand of chair.
Main reason for using seats for me is that the DE integration with udisks/power seems more seamless for whoever is logged into the console. I've gotten too lazy to make unique mounts with sudo for each and every USB and SD card/cdrom/... I plug in, it's very nice that the integration automatically creates its own nonconflicting directory and mounts with a click - for just about any mass storage device for the user sitting at console. Just too convenient, saves me a lot of effort keeping track of temporary mount points which had gotten really unwieldy for me.
The type of chair had been consolekit for me a long time, though I now have systems of all three flavors of chairs... _________________ Intel Core i7 2700K/Radeon R7 250/24GB DDR3/256GB SSD
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sitquietly Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 23 Oct 2010 Posts: 143 Location: On the Wolf River, Tennessee
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Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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Ant P. wrote: | Like most of the several billion Linux users on the planet, I have one seat and multiple devices. I don't need middle management for my ass. |
With people like you influencing me I have ended up with /etc/portage/package.mask/complications
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net-dns/avahi
sys-apps/systemd
sys-auth/consolekit
sys-auth/elogind
sys-auth/polkit
sys-fs/udisks
sys-libs/pam
sys-libs/pambase
sys-power/upower
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and I like how this system functions. I never edit policy files to appease the middle manager for my ass. slim[-consolekit,-pam] works well for this system. halt and reboot are commands given to slim rather than menu items in a DE. |
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Anon-E-moose Watchman
Joined: 23 May 2008 Posts: 6098 Location: Dallas area
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Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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Even inside a de/dm you don't need *kit/*logind to execute shutdown/reboot, you just need the ability to execute scripts and/or aliases along with sudo. _________________ PRIME x570-pro, 3700x, 6.1 zen kernel
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Zucca Moderator
Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 3343 Location: Rasi, Finland
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Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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I, in fact, have been setting up multi-seated setups. Currently I have none, but I keep elogind installed for future multi-seat madness. :P _________________ ..: Zucca :..
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The Main Man Veteran
Joined: 27 Nov 2014 Posts: 1166 Location: /run/user/1000
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Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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Anon-E-moose wrote: | Even inside a de/dm you don't need *kit/*logind to execute shutdown/reboot, you just need the ability to execute scripts and/or aliases along with sudo. |
There's no even need for sudo.
chmod u+s can do the job. |
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wuzzerd Guru
Joined: 05 Jan 2005 Posts: 466 Location: New Mexico
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Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:31 am Post subject: |
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I got two seats: a folding chair and a yoga ball. I have yet to figure out their configuration in respect to gentoo. They JustWork[tm]. |
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Zucca Moderator
Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 3343 Location: Rasi, Finland
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Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:51 am Post subject: |
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wuzzerd wrote: | I got two seats: a folding chair and a yoga ball. | I'll raise the stakes: My car has a five-seat configuration. _________________ ..: Zucca :..
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arnvidr l33t
Joined: 19 Aug 2004 Posts: 629 Location: Oslo, Norway
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Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:45 am Post subject: |
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arnvidr wrote: | I use elogind because of sys-auth/polkit, but I'm trying to get rid of both. |
...aaaaaand they're gone.
Had to adjust some USE flags to avoid some packages activating consolekit again, but looks good so far. _________________
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Zucca Moderator
Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 3343 Location: Rasi, Finland
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Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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I'd like to get rid of polkit. The configuration alone is one big reason. Another is webkit depency.
But since I want to keep elogind, I guess I have no choice.
Someone, please, make a lightweight, easily configurable, drop-in replacement for polkit? Anyone? :( _________________ ..: Zucca :..
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asturm Developer
Joined: 05 Apr 2007 Posts: 8936
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Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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What webkit dependency? And I don't remember configuring polkit manually at all. |
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eccerr0r Watchman
Joined: 01 Jul 2004 Posts: 9679 Location: almost Mile High in the USA
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Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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I thought the Gentoo devs did pretty good with polkit default configuration, the only troubles I had were a long, long time ago.
The nasty dependency of polkit is now spidermonkey - the javascript interpreter. As much as I dislike the decision to use javascript, it does add if-then-else configureability to policy. _________________ Intel Core i7 2700K/Radeon R7 250/24GB DDR3/256GB SSD
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Amity88 Apprentice
Joined: 03 Jul 2010 Posts: 260 Location: Third planet from the Sun
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Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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I use consolekit cause the Gentoo Awesome WM wiki suggests it and I've been too lazy to explore whether it's really a hard-dependency. _________________
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Zucca Moderator
Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 3343 Location: Rasi, Finland
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Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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asturm wrote: | What webkit dependency? And I don't remember configuring polkit manually at all. |
Sorry. Meant spidermonkey.
I once had a need to configure it for some program. Probably outside of official Gentoo packages.
I think I eventually ditched the program for something else. _________________ ..: Zucca :..
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eccerr0r Watchman
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Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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At least spidermonkey doesn't take way too long to compile like webkit ... _________________ Intel Core i7 2700K/Radeon R7 250/24GB DDR3/256GB SSD
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