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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:31 pm    Post subject: What distro Reply with quote

What’s the feeling these days on an easy to use, low maintenance distro for a desktop? Still Ubuntu?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:31 pm    Post subject: Re: What distro Reply with quote

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What’s the feeling these days on an easy to use, low maintenance distro for a desktop? Still Ubuntu?


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:12 pm    Post subject: Re: What distro Reply with quote

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What’s the feeling these days on an easy to use, low maintenance distro for a desktop? Still Ubuntu?


Well once set up the ease of use would depend on the DE more than the distribution, surely, but I like Gentoo on desktops, it's only really a pain to set up once for a particular arch and takes nothing to maintain really, I'd say less than an hour a month of keyboard time these days.

My problem with regular distros is that they always seem to be missing or outdated wrt something I like / want / use. That requires compromising and fiddling with the system anyway, and then having to document / recall where and what I did to workaround.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:16 pm    Post subject: Re: What distro Reply with quote

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What’s the feeling these days on an easy to use, low maintenance distro for a desktop? Still Ubuntu?


Arch Linux
:lol: :lol:
#ArchProblems is a hashtag for a reason
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:43 pm    Post subject: Re: What distro Reply with quote

Naib wrote:
Muso wrote:
richk449 wrote:
What’s the feeling these days on an easy to use, low maintenance distro for a desktop? Still Ubuntu?


Arch Linux
:lol: :lol:
#ArchProblems is a hashtag for a reason


https://twitter.com/search?q=%23ArchProblems&src=typeahead_click ¿Que?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If only it were a rolling distro, I'd agree.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:17 am    Post subject: Re: What distro Reply with quote

richk449 wrote:
What’s the feeling these days on an easy to use, low maintenance distro for a desktop? Still Ubuntu?
The upgrade klick and go every half year is simple and works for Ubuntu. This comes near to a rolling release. But you don't have much quality for all the non-longterm: only is testing but works 8 weeks after release (security and bugs corrected)

Working also and fresh released: Debian
If you want an easy to use Debian but keeping fresh try Debian "testing",
which is more stable than Gentoo testing.
Debian "unstable" only is 4 weeks younger than testing but heavily rumbles.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Old School wrote:
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If only it were a rolling distro, I'd agree.

OldSchool: Why mint?

Muso: And why does it not being rolling make you say no?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Muso: And why does it not being rolling make you say no?


Because upgrading to a new major release is a PITA. Where a rolling release is just normal upgrading.

I switched my wife over to Mint because it is a really easy to use distro. I'd ssh into her box (lol) and update it for her. but upgrading to the "next version" was annoying.

Mint is very nice, it's not ideological (RMS would never use it) so the focus is just on easiest to use Linux with the most features.

I wasn't kidding about Arch, it's easier to install than Gentoo and keeping it up to date is just a pacman -Suy. Aur opens up so many programs not included in the main repos. The reason why I mentioned it is because it's very up to date and easy (easy for Gentoo people at least).
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If only it were a rolling distro, I'd agree.

OldSchool: Why mint?
Because it is a no brainer distro. Easy install, and easy apt-get updating.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Because it is a no brainer distro. Easy install, and easy apt-get updating.


With apt based distros, I just make two aliases in ~/.bash_aliases (or ~/.bashrc), one for updating and one for cleaning.

Code:
alias update='atp-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade -y'
alias purge='apt autoremove -y'


So I've made it even lazier. update followed by a purge.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is Ubuntu a rolling release? I thought that as long as it is apt based, I can just keep upgrading continuously. Why do I care about the “releases”?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is Ubuntu a rolling release? I thought that as long as it is apt based, I can just keep upgrading continuously. Why do I care about the “releases”?

Each release points to a different set of repositories with different package versions. I think the idea is to enforce forwards compatibility with regard to configuration.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mint is also apt based. When dealing with the less hands on types of distros I think you would look at DE more than distro. So if you prefer KDE you might stick to Kubuntu (don't know about KDE...hate it) or Lubuntu if you like Lxqt. Or Ubuntu if you prefer Gnome Or LinuxMint if you like Mate, xfce or Cinnamon. My take is that the Deb based distros are easier than the RPM ones. You can use the package manager, but if someone does something dumb, apt is powerful enough to help you unscrew yourself.

The computer that my family uses is Mint with xfce since it is pretty intuitive but light enough not to annoy me with slowdowns (it's an old laptop)

For a simpler life, though, try bullet journalling. :p
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. I'm thinking Arch might be the best option, because having to upgrade scares me. Unfortunately, that means learning yet another package management system.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

richk449 wrote:
Thanks. I'm thinking Arch might be the best option, because having to upgrade scares me. Unfortunately, that means learning yet another package management system.


Pacman's easy.


Installing
Code:
pacman -S package


Removing (The package plus dependencies not required by any other package)
Code:
pacman -Rs package


Searching
Code:
pacman -Ss package


Updating
Code:
pacman -Suy


Here's the Installation guide.

There is also Manjaro, which is based on Arch but has an easier installation method... though I find Arch very easy to install as is (either using a net install with a minimal iso or a live iso install). Manjaro, being based on Arch, is also rolling.

Manjaro home page
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Windows 10. I've had to fix some really ugly boot problems in Ubuntu in the past year or two, for really ugly users. But when Windows users come to me for help? I can just tell 'em it's not my problem, fuck off.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

debian. it does not have the automagic additions like ubuntu. pretty minimal and damn stable.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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debian. it does not have the automagic additions like ubuntu. pretty minimal and damn stable.


richk449 would need to use Debian Sid, as that is the rolling version of Debian.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry i did miss that roling requirement. yes in this case ARCH.
was happy about this distro although i had trouble to compile my own kernel once as i was used to Gentoo.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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sorry i did miss that roling requirement. yes in this case ARCH.
was happy about this distro although i had trouble to compile my own kernel once as i was used to Gentoo.


Or Manjaro, which is like the super easy version of Arch.

Here's a nice article about both : Arch Linux vs Manjaro – Why I Use Arch / Manjaro
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:31 pm    Post subject: Re: What distro Reply with quote

Calculate is worth a go.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fedora 29.

Although newer Fedora is available.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Fedora 29.

Although newer Fedora is available.


People who use RPM are known cannibals.
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