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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 2:12 am    Post subject: Firefox has dun goofed so bad that even I am switching Reply with quote

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19823465

Okay. I've had it. Is there any other browser out there that won't shit the bed once a week? I've been unreasonably loyal to Firefox for years, even when it was a complete crapshoot compared to Chrome.

This is it. I can't stand it anymore. All I want is a browser that won't break and will block trackers.
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Opera?
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just had this happen for no apparent reason.

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xpinstall.signatures.required;false

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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's that old saying? Don't attribute to malice that which is mere stupidity?

All extensions disabled due to expiration of intermediate signing cert

OK, not exactly that kind of stupid, but you'd think that would be a solved problem at this point.
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wswartzendruber wrote:
Opera?
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm using Brave, but Gab is working on a Dissenter browser that's basically Brave without the BAT token junk plus the dissenter extension, that might be worth checking out when they release it.
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

qutebrowser?
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol, just be glad you don't use the Nightly version. The default search engine is Amazon...
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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the saddest part is that they want you to enable that mr robot bullshit studies feature to fix it.

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Mozilla started to roll out a fix for Release, Beta, and Nightly versions of Firefox. The fix uses Mozilla Studies, and you need to make sure that this is enabled to get it.


NOPE THAT. :lol:
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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Elinks. Turns out there's a newer fork of it with patches applied called felinks on github too :)

In all seriousness does anybody else here browse using CLI browsers or is it just a novelty thing?
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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Elinks. Turns out there's a newer fork of it with patches applied called felinks on github too :)

In all seriousness does anybody else here browse using CLI browsers or is it just a novelty thing?


I will when I'm installing w/out X. Occasionally I'll test it out trying to get past a paywall to read a news story.
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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2019 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What's that old saying? Don't attribute to malice that which is mere stupidity?

I think we need the other old saying at this point: Once is a mistake, twice is coincidence, thrice is enemy action. Mozilla wants to overtly shit ads in everyone's brain while gaslighting them that Google are somehow the only bad guys.
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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2019 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ant P. wrote:
pjp wrote:
What's that old saying? Don't attribute to malice that which is mere stupidity?

I think we need the other old saying at this point: Once is a mistake, twice is coincidence, thrice is enemy action. Mozilla wants to overtly shit ads in everyone's brain while gaslighting them that Google are somehow the only bad guys.


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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2019 7:54 pm    Post subject: Which browser do you use? Reply with quote

Personally, i use Vivaldi.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2019 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ant P. wrote:
pjp wrote:
What's that old saying? Don't attribute to malice that which is mere stupidity?

I think we need the other old saying at this point: Once is a mistake, twice is coincidence, thrice is enemy action. Mozilla wants to overtly shit ads in everyone's brain while gaslighting them that Google are somehow the only bad guys.
I'm guessing you're referring to issues other than "forgetting" to renew certs? Are / were Mozilla somehow inserting ads with a MITM-esque technique (esque meaning a broad generalization)? According to this (Dec 2018), Firefox had 5.1% of the market. Presumably some of those people using Firefox don't believe Google is the only member of the Bad Guy club. Which would seem to suggest any gaslighting by Mozilla isn't particularly effective. Then there's the issue of alternatives.
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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 5:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Firefox has dun goofed so bad that even I am switching Reply with quote

Mardok45 wrote:
All I want is a browser that won't break and will block trackers.


Internet Explorer?
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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 6:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Firefox has dun goofed so bad that even I am switching Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
I'm guessing you're referring to issues other than "forgetting" to renew certs? Are / were Mozilla somehow inserting ads with a MITM-esque technique (esque meaning a broad generalization)?

Ads on the default new tab page (can't be adblocked), ads via the Studies backdoor, and now this.

There are far more cases, but these ones are notable because there's a plausible under-the-table money motive behind each one and every time Mozilla's reaction has been a condescending “oopsie woopsie, we fixed it now!” press release. There's no attempt to identify systematic or leadership failures that led to each incident or a statement of intent to improve. Just stereotypical Silicon Valley arrogance and greed. This definitely isn't the Mozilla from the spreadfirefox days any more.
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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

moult wrote:
In all seriousness does anybody else here browse using CLI browsers or is it just a novelty thing?


I've used Lynx and w3m when I need to look at something quickly. I've had mixed results because so many websites are too bloated to view.

For news, I have used NPR and CNN's text-only sites. Those are great. I wish more news organizations did that.
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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ant P. wrote:
pjp wrote:
I'm guessing you're referring to issues other than "forgetting" to renew certs? Are / were Mozilla somehow inserting ads with a MITM-esque technique (esque meaning a broad generalization)?

Ads on the default new tab page (can't be adblocked), ads via the Studies backdoor, and now this.

There are far more cases, but these ones are notable because there's a plausible under-the-table money motive behind each one and every time Mozilla's reaction has been a condescending “oopsie woopsie, we fixed it now!” press release. There's no attempt to identify systematic or leadership failures that led to each incident or a statement of intent to improve. Just stereotypical Silicon Valley arrogance and greed. This definitely isn't the Mozilla from the spreadfirefox days any more.
Thanks. I've been using ESR for a very long time, so I guess I haven't seen any of those shenanigans. I've not been a fan of Firefox since it's inception. I used Galeon until it became impractical, and the browser ecosystem has continually deteriorated since. I stopped paying for TV about 10 years ago, and I haven't watched OTA in 2+ years. It's looking more and more like a text-only browsing future. I've been thinking about carburetors too.
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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2019 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users
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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2019 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dr.Willy wrote:
Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users
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In other words, Google's AdSense conflict of interests has finally come home to roost.
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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2019 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
Thanks. I've been using ESR for a very long time, so I guess I haven't seen any of those shenanigans. I've not been a fan of Firefox since it's inception. I used Galeon until it became impractical, and the browser ecosystem has continually deteriorated since.

I used to use Konqueror until they threw in the towel. Even filed a few bugs for it too. To this day Firefox doesn't run half as smoothly on my quad-core as that did on my Pentium 4 box.

The HTML5 web and the browser/advertising complex feeding off it needs to die tbh. It's as much a waste of electricity as bitcoins.
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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2019 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ant P. wrote:
The HTML5 web and the browser/advertising complex feeding off it needs to die tbh. It's as much a waste of electricity as bitcoins.
There was a time when people put content on the internet because that's what they wanted to do. It wasn't particularly complicated, and it was approachable as a hobby expense. I'm very close to allowing only the text content of a site, and ignoring anything that doesn't otherwise function.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Which browser do you use? Reply with quote

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Closed source? No way! Might as well install a Trojan directly.
Doesn't happen with commercial software? it happened with Ccleaner.
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