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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh boo hoo no phone calls :cry: :cry:

Now he cares about 'the law' :roll:

http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/alleged-gunman-complains-hes-being-denied-visitors-and-phone-calls-report/ar-BBVr9GH?ocid=ientp
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oh boo hoo no phone calls :cry: :cry:

Now he cares about 'the law' :roll:


It doesn't really matter whether he believes in the rule of law, only that the government does.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It doesn't really matter whether he believes in the rule of law, only that the government does.


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This, absolutely.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is he still alive?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why is he still alive?

If I were to hazard a guess, due process, and NZ doesn't have the death penalty. They might be going full totalitarian, but they at least have to display a veneer of due process.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oh boo hoo no phone calls :cry: :cry:

Now he cares about 'the law' :roll:
Would you rather summarily execute him without giving him a fair trial?

But lets not forget you haven't answered my question: Do you support striping rights from Muslims because in a single day a few of them killed 2996 innocent people in cold blood?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gentooP4 wrote:
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New Zealand mosque attacks by far right white supremacist

this is false. the guy was admittedly an eco-terrorist, meaning left leaning, not right. then in his manifesto, he basically said he's neither right nor left. he said he agrees with trump on nationalism, but fucking hates trump for everything else.

stop spreading disproven trash. it makes you look dumb.


Is it really important that he is right or left? What you have demonstrated is that he likely doesn't strongly identify with either.

Scoring political points seems to be the goal nowadays.


Yep it's all about the points, deflection (but but look at this - unrelated immigration story) and re-defining words.

The killer is a self confessed white supremacist which to me and everyone else makes him a right wing extremist. He has made donations to Austrian political movements aligned to that cause.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111603621/austria-considers-dissolving-farright-group-amid-christchurch-shooting-link-probe

you're the liar who put it in the title.

on top of that, white supremacy is not a right wing cause. never has been. it started in the democrats in the US. in europe it was the nazis which is literally short for "national socialist" in german, and it was rampant in the colossal failure of the communist/marxist/socialist bloc. you're just pushing propaganda to smear an entire political wing. you're pushing false hate speech and you should feel bad.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One Nation is an Australian right wing political party. What do you know, white supremacy ideology consistent with their right wing cause.

http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/jingoistic-moron-peters-slams-fraser-anning/ar-BBVvE6B?ocid=ientp
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Would you rather summarily execute him without giving him a fair trial?


Isn't the government corrupt in your conspiracy worldview so their is no such thing?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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gentooP4 wrote:
Oh boo hoo no phone calls :cry: :cry:

Now he cares about 'the law' :roll:


It doesn't really matter whether he believes in the rule of law, only that the government does.


And those that don't believe in it, don't get the benefits of freedoms such as phone calls. Can't complain then surely. Oh wait... :roll:
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gentooP4 wrote:
One Nation is an Australian right wing political party. What do you know, white supremacy ideology consistent with their right wing cause.
If it is raining then I'm wearing a jacket.

Notice that the reverse is not true. I may simply be cold and have no threat of rain at all. Or it could be snowing.

Simply because some far right parties embrace a supremacist ideology does not imply that all supremacists are right wing.

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Would you rather summarily execute him without giving him a fair trial?
Isn't the government corrupt in your conspiracy worldview so their is no such thing?
Assuming will get you in trouble every time. The short answer is "no." Clearly you don't know my politics at all. Center to center right libertarian, sometimes known as a classical liberal, if you really must know.

However, that is neither here nor there. The question was if YOU would support a summary execution.

Given your later response it seems you don't want to answer because you believe the answer should be yes. You seem to imply no rights or legal protections are appropriate to someone who's guilt has not been established in a court of law if you find their crime to be severe enough. If the law does not apply to everyone it applies to no one.

I will also note that you have not answered my question regarding the 2996 people killed by Muslims. Would you or would you not support striping rights from Muslims because in a single day a few of them killed 2996 innocent people in cold blood?

I'm starting to think you are avoiding the questions out of cowardice.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gentooP4 wrote:
One Nation is an Australian right wing political party. What do you know, white supremacy ideology consistent with their right wing cause.

http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/jingoistic-moron-peters-slams-fraser-anning/ar-BBVvE6B?ocid=ientp

oh, look, someone who doesn't know what racism is labeling a political opponent as racist... #yawn
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I need me some popcorn
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wswartzendruber wrote:
Why is he still alive?


we don't have the death penalty. We abolished is in the 1930 (with a brief comeback in the 1950's), along with the majority of countries.

I can only assume the he will be given life without parole.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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wswartzendruber wrote:
Why is he still alive?


we don't have the death penalty. We abolished is in the 1930 (with a brief comeback in the 1950's), along with the majority of countries.

I can only assume the he will be given life without parole.


Or, 20 years.. with cable TV, internet access, good food, etc etc
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And those that don't believe in it, don't get the benefits of freedoms such as phone calls. Can't complain then surely. Oh wait... :roll:

Is that exception in law, or are you demanding it ad hoc just because you hate him?
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sugar wrote:
wswartzendruber wrote:
Why is he still alive?


we don't have the death penalty. We abolished is in the 1930 (with a brief comeback in the 1950's), along with the majority of countries.

I can only assume the he will be given life without parole.


Or, 20 years.. with cable TV, internet access, good food, etc etc


The highest sentence handed down in NZ was 30 years without parole and that was for murdering 3 people.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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sugar wrote:
wswartzendruber wrote:
Why is he still alive?


we don't have the death penalty. We abolished is in the 1930 (with a brief comeback in the 1950's), along with the majority of countries.

I can only assume the he will be given life without parole.


Or, 20 years.. with cable TV, internet access, good food, etc etc


The highest sentence handed down in NZ was 30 years without parole and that was for murdering 3 people.


You think they'll go beyond 30?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Besides all paragraphs...media
That nutjob praised China as a good society. Far right much? While him being an enviromentalist - I can see the left thingy.
Might even been a deviant asking for attention - left or right.
Or, being hired by the left to divide even more - my worst hope. :)
Just go left and you finally will find your right foot.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hahaha this only gets better :lol: These alt righters think they can just say what they like without consequences, then act all snowflake when people distance themselves from their extreme racist views.

http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/qantas-axes-fraser-annings-access-to-vip-lounges/ar-BBVB2fv?ocid=ientp
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No one has to say anything because I am the greatest!...Oh, you're the devil? Awesome!...Cartman said
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Or, 20 years.. with cable TV, internet access, good food, etc etc


/fairy tale. Even taking a shit is on CCTV :lol: Don't end up here kids!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12214428
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Or, 20 years.. with cable TV, internet access, good food, etc etc


/fairy tale. Even taking a shit is on CCTV :lol: Don't end up here kids!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12214428


That's pre-trial.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First relevant link...

New Zealand’s new maximum-security jail has a sensory garden

I don't have a problem with it, particularly since even in this maximum-security prison they expect the possibility of rehabilitation and reintroduction into the workforce. You can't abuse a person and then expect them to be normal when you let them out. But I'd also say the luxuries ought to be considered a privilege. I didn't see anything mentioned about that.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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...particularly since even in this maximum-security prison they expect the possibility of rehabilitation...
When you think about it, there are some people who should just never be released. For example, the type who kill 50 people to make a political statement or the ones who are overly fond of little kids. Even if they don't get a death penalty they have no place in society after that.
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