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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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New Zealand mosque attacks by far right white supremacist

this is false. the guy was admittedly an eco-terrorist, meaning left leaning, not right. then in his manifesto, he basically said he's neither right nor left. he said he agrees with trump on nationalism, but fucking hates trump for everything else.

stop spreading disproven trash. it makes you look dumb.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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All you achieve is driving the conversation underground.
It also causes some people to seek out that which is forbidden, simply because it is forbidden. Has the Streisand effect been scientifically proven yet?

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By giving everyone the opportunity to present their idea and then mercilessly tearing it apart with logic and reason you get everyone to accept that the bad ideas are wrong because they can see it and know it.
I agree, but recent history seems to be indicating other possible outcomes.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Do you think the Mossad is some bogeyman?


Did I say that? I have no opinion on Mossad. Someone posted that Jews were being blamed. I clicked the link HE POSTED and all it mentioned was that Mossad was being blamed. So I asked, are jews the same as mossad.

I am only questioning the equivalence he made.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

big dave wrote:
gentooP4 wrote:
New Zealand mosque attacks by far right white supremacist

this is false. the guy was admittedly an eco-terrorist, meaning left leaning, not right. then in his manifesto, he basically said he's neither right nor left. he said he agrees with trump on nationalism, but fucking hates trump for everything else.

stop spreading disproven trash. it makes you look dumb.


Is it really important that he is right or left? What you have demonstrated is that he likely doesn't strongly identify with either.

Scoring political points seems to be the goal nowadays.
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Well, every group has its nutjobs, and the Second Amendment crowd is no exception.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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For a man who started studying philosophy after university, Mr. Benjamin has a very nice understanding of it.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

juniper wrote:
Muso wrote:
Do you think the Mossad is some bogeyman?


Did I say that? I have no opinion on Mossad.


I ask because it's considered a bogeyman by so many on the left and right. I'm glad you have neutrality on the question.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

‘Chief Censor’ Explains New Zealand Criminalizing Possession of the Manifesto | It’s Not For You
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm really glad I live in Idaho.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ah, lovely New Zealand, kicking out people with Downs Syndrome.

Woman who was headhunted for £74,000-a-year IT job in New Zealand has her dream move shattered when her 15-year-old daughter is rejected for a visa because she has Down's Syndrome

So much compassion.


Don't care, don't have all the facts.


I'll help, the mother is an IT consultant, head hunted apparently - taxes paid on a month of her income (according to the local newspaper this morning) would cover her child's assisted-schooling for a year.
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Preventing radicalism is the goal of restricting peoples access to abhorrent ideas



The corps is mother, the corp is father.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WOW!!! They really have a "Chief Censor!!!!!"

New Zealand is a fucked up country.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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WOW!!! They really have a "Chief Censor!!!!!"


Probably wears an eye patch.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Old School wrote:
WOW!!! They really have a "Chief Censor!!!!!"


Probably wears an eye patch.

:lol:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e5/No_2_APTSWSM.jpg
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gun advocates in the United States bombarded my social media accounts, expressing shock and outrage that I had turned in my gun
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111603973/giving-up-gun-sparks-american-ire

Christians defile remembrance board
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111577244/bible-verse-removed-from-christchurch-tribute-wall
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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big dave wrote:
gentooP4 wrote:
New Zealand mosque attacks by far right white supremacist

this is false. the guy was admittedly an eco-terrorist, meaning left leaning, not right. then in his manifesto, he basically said he's neither right nor left. he said he agrees with trump on nationalism, but fucking hates trump for everything else.

stop spreading disproven trash. it makes you look dumb.


Is it really important that he is right or left? What you have demonstrated is that he likely doesn't strongly identify with either.

Scoring political points seems to be the goal nowadays.


Yep it's all about the points, deflection (but but look at this - unrelated immigration story) and re-defining words.

The killer is a self confessed white supremacist which to me and everyone else makes him a right wing extremist. He has made donations to Austrian political movements aligned to that cause.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111603621/austria-considers-dissolving-farright-group-amid-christchurch-shooting-link-probe
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Gun advocates in the United States bombarded my social media accounts, expressing shock and outrage that I had turned in my gun
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111603973/giving-up-gun-sparks-american-ire


:lol: :lol: :lol:

I remember that cuck. Gives up his ability to defend his property and family to the government for the dopamine rush of "likes" from strangers on Twitter.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Defend his property from whom? Angry sheep :lol:

Good proof NRA is behind this campaign
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Defend his property from whom? Angry sheep :lol:

Good proof NRA is behind this campaign


:lol: :lol: :lol:

You're delusional. When people virtue signal like that on Twitter, it's not an NRA campaign to laugh at them.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gentooP4, since you are willing to abridge people's rights to speech and association after one guy with dubious political alignment who kills 50 people, are you going to support doing the same against the ones who killed 2996 innocent people in a single day? And did it without a single gun in sight.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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gentooP4, since you are willing to abridge people's rights to speech and association after one guy with dubious political alignment who kills 50 people, are you going to support doing the same against the ones who killed 2996 innocent people in a single day? And did it without a single gun in sight.

Ouch. There goes airplanes, Korans, and Islam.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm still waiting for bans on cars and alcohol.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:54 am    Post subject: Re: New Zealand mosque attacks by far right white supremacis Reply with quote

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Your "Far Right" definition is hilarious, when one considers the shooter stated he was a fan of the totalitarian commies in China.

Maybe your definition of far right is different than mine.

The most success in chinese social media nowadays do have these guys who publish translated far right videos of the US and Europe. Nothing censored there!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:56 pm    Post subject: Re: New Zealand mosque attacks by far right white supremacis Reply with quote

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I'm surprised I can't see a topic about this atrocity.

50 people killed going about their lawful business in a peaceful country by a self confessed white supremacist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christchurch_mosque_shootings

Youngest victim who was only 2 years old has just been released from hospital thankfully - his father is still in bad shape having shielded his son from the bullets.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111549394/youngest-victim-of-christchurch-mosque-attacks-released-from-hospital

NZ has been in mourning for over a week now but the people have come together in amazing ways to support their Muslim communities.


There is much that can be discussed here. I am not sure any of it will in any way change what happened or will happen.

If the only thing stopping your neighbor from trying to kill you is that he is lacking a weapon, you have a neighbor problem, not a weapon problem. Further,

Arun Gandhi wrote:
A way to determine if an act is passive violence is to ask if it would hurt the perpetrator if done to them. If so, it is. “My grandfather said we commit passive violence all the time, every day, consciously and unconsciously, and that creates anger in the victim. They act out with physical violence to seek justice,” Gandhi said.
our Kiwi friends are now acting in ways that support the goal of the attacker. I'm out.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm still waiting for bans on cars and alcohol.

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Now that is a healthy approach to driving heavy vehicles from bicycles and up.
And, yeah, NK would be so lucky.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Violence by one RoP on another RoP is no crime.
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