dev-libs/ocl-icd really depends hard on dev-lang/ruby?

mael · n00b Joined: 28 Feb 2018 Posts: 37 Location: Germany

hi,

since my philosophy is keeping a smallest system possible with only the needed features enabled like many other people here i discovered recently that stable marked dev-libs/ocl-icd-2.2.12 is hard depending on dev-lang/ruby on my system.
ocl-icd is the only package on my box that is pulling in all the for me unwanted ruby stuff.
i have globaly activated the opencl useflag for several reasons and globaly deactivated the ruby useflag in my make.conf because i dont need ruby and all the other "languages of the day" at all. just some amd64 assembler, c, c++ and python

output of "equery d ruby":

eccerr0r · Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:32 am Post subject:

Unfortunately it looks like in the ocl-icd package tarball there's a:

icd_generator.rb

And yeah it looks like a ruby file. So need upstream to change languages for this one particular script...

So for now yes it at least looks like a build dependency but I don't know enough about OpenCL ICD loading to really give a honest opinion. It's more of the upstream devs probably wanting to try something new...
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mael · n00b Joined: 28 Feb 2018 Posts: 37 Location: Germany

so its another case of a strategicly wrong chosen programming language again... python 3 can do everything as efficient (speed, security, codesize, threading and thats just for starters) as ruby 2 does ... since python is used in a lot more prestigious open source projects ruby is just another unneeded childs play toy :cry:

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eccerr0r · Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:42 pm Post subject:

I have my beef about python too, it only gets a pass because portage is written in python...
Go perl! :p
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mael · n00b Joined: 28 Feb 2018 Posts: 37 Location: Germany

as far as i remember perl-5 has some serious issues with multithreading (parralel programming)so thats for me a definitive nogo on pearl. maybe pearl 6 changes things ...
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eccerr0r · Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:39 pm Post subject:

hearsay, hearsay...

granted doing LWT with interpreted languages is in itself a dumb concept, gosh, do it in C at least...
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mael · n00b Joined: 28 Feb 2018 Posts: 37 Location: Germany

thats why i love AND DO c/c++ (it fits in every requirement for me) and for special, but very very seldom cases i keep also some amd64 assembler ready (only disadvantage in my eyes:portability).

(slow for most people) python is for the rest (scripting) or testing in a fast way new ideas before ported to clean c/c++.

thats why i still hope there will be a complete portage rewrite from scratch (paludis would look promising with similar command syntax like pkgcore) in c or c++... but on raid 6 you dont feel python as a slow interpreted language ;-)

i forgot that i need html 5 without !!! javascript for "apaching" around a little bit sometimes. my hopes there are that some needed basic javascript functionality (selectors for example) goes directly into the next html language version which also kills ultimately the need for (mostly unsafe) javascript at all... my dream: a webshop without javascript, just pure fast, small and clean html (6

)

so java,javasript (ok, not yet :roll:

),ruby,haskell,swig,lua,orc,perl(sorry man, i have no use for that language :wink:

),mono,pascal,fortran,spidermonkey,tcl... and possibly more in dev/lang are in my view a waste of time learning them...

what do you think should (new) programmers learn first? i vote for c... its difficult to learn but guys can do every app, driver or even complete os's in a unmatched effiency...
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