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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The state of our evolving norms suggest that, if I claim to be Napoleon, people can mock me. But, if I am going so far as to try to look, sound or walk like Napoleon, people must address me as "Votre Majesté Impériale" (or at least "Sire"), and, most importantly, if they refuse, an outraged mob should form to harass them and get them fired from their jobs.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Student ‘barred from free speech debate for saying women don’t have penises
What? Women do have penises? Now my ding ding dong got really small...
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If I slice open my neck to make it look like I have gills, I am not a shark.

++ :lol:

And even if you have shark hormone therapy and have shark gonads implanted, guess what? Your DNA still says you're not a shark.


Sharks can't be man/boy or woman/girl, because by definition, they're sharks.

Maybe shark society have some kind of useful concepts for gender, in the same way that human society does.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sugar wrote:
Bones McCracker wrote:
Muso wrote:
If I slice open my neck to make it look like I have gills, I am not a shark.

++ :lol:

And even if you have shark hormone therapy and have shark gonads implanted, guess what? Your DNA still says you're not a shark.


Sharks can't be man/boy or woman/girl, because by definition, they're sharks.

Maybe shark society have some kind of useful concepts for gender, in the same way that human society does.

Who said anything about shark gender?

I'll give you a hint: nobody (except you, that is).

Now, think about that, and explain your malfunction.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bones McCracker wrote:
sugar wrote:
Bones McCracker wrote:
Muso wrote:
If I slice open my neck to make it look like I have gills, I am not a shark.

++ :lol:

And even if you have shark hormone therapy and have shark gonads implanted, guess what? Your DNA still says you're not a shark.


Sharks can't be man/boy or woman/girl, because by definition, they're sharks.

Maybe shark society have some kind of useful concepts for gender, in the same way that human society does.

Who said anything about shark gender?

I'll give you a hint: nobody (except you, that is).

Now, think about that, and explain your malfunction.


ummmmm

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She was jailed for telling the truth. A guy who has mutilated his body is not a woman.

If I slice open my neck to make it look like I have gills, I am not a shark.


noticed the gendered pronouns.

or I could just take your comment at face value, which basically boils down to

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hurp derp, and 1 + 1 = 2! lolz

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sugar wrote:
Bones McCracker wrote:
sugar wrote:
Bones McCracker wrote:
Muso wrote:
If I slice open my neck to make it look like I have gills, I am not a shark.

++ :lol:

And even if you have shark hormone therapy and have shark gonads implanted, guess what? Your DNA still says you're not a shark.


Sharks can't be man/boy or woman/girl, because by definition, they're sharks.

Maybe shark society have some kind of useful concepts for gender, in the same way that human society does.

Who said anything about shark gender?

I'll give you a hint: nobody (except you, that is).

Now, think about that, and explain your malfunction.


ummmmm

Muso wrote:
She was jailed for telling the truth. A guy who has mutilated his body is not a woman.

If I slice open my neck to make it look like I have gills, I am not a shark.


noticed the gendered pronouns.

or I could just take your comment at face value, which basically boils down to

Quote:
hurp derp, and 1 + 1 = 2! lolz

Nobody said anything about shark gender.

The problem is you fail at analogies.

It's like if you told your mom she's stupid, and your dad said "Son, don't bite the hand that feeds you." You, following your logical dysfunction above, would probably say something stupid like, "But Dad! I didn't bite Mom! How can you say I bit Mom! I would never bite Mom!"

Then, when he says, "Son, you're a major dumbass. I never said you bit your mom," you'd be like, "Um... I hate to burst your bubble there daddy-o, but when I said Mom was stupid, you said "Don't bite the hand that feeds you." So there!

Go look in the mirror, look deep into your own eyes, and bitch-slap yourself.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bones McCracker wrote:
sugar wrote:
Bones McCracker wrote:
sugar wrote:
Bones McCracker wrote:
Muso wrote:
If I slice open my neck to make it look like I have gills, I am not a shark.

++ :lol:

And even if you have shark hormone therapy and have shark gonads implanted, guess what? Your DNA still says you're not a shark.


Sharks can't be man/boy or woman/girl, because by definition, they're sharks.

Maybe shark society have some kind of useful concepts for gender, in the same way that human society does.

Who said anything about shark gender?

I'll give you a hint: nobody (except you, that is).

Now, think about that, and explain your malfunction.


ummmmm

Muso wrote:
She was jailed for telling the truth. A guy who has mutilated his body is not a woman.

If I slice open my neck to make it look like I have gills, I am not a shark.


noticed the gendered pronouns.

or I could just take your comment at face value, which basically boils down to

Quote:
hurp derp, and 1 + 1 = 2! lolz

Nobody said anything about shark gender.

The problem is you fail at analogies.

It's like if you told your mom she's stupid, and your dad said "Son, don't bite the hand that feeds you." You, following your logical dysfunction above, would probably say something stupid like, "But Dad! I didn't bite Mom! How can you say I bit Mom! I would never bite Mom!"

Then, when he says, "Son, you're a major dumbass. I never said you bit your mom," you'd be like, "Um... I hate to burst your bubble there daddy-o, but when I said Mom was stupid, you said "Don't bite the hand that feeds you." So there!

Go look in the mirror, look deep into your own eyes, and bitch-slap yourself.


*facepalm*
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is, fundamentally, a view of the nature of reality. I'm sure there is a whole range of gender feelings that can go from the most masculine male to the most feminine female, but that doesn't change the physical reality of the chromosomes one was born with. I have never had the desire to be a female, and the very idea of it just sounds absurd to me. However, I do recognize that some people have intense conflicts in their minds with regards to their feelings vs their body. A sort of "alien limb syndrome" but of the genitals. The very rare cases of people who legitimately have this condition is sad, but forcing others to speak in a way that is deemed dishonest, and under various penalties, to thereby force society as a whole to give up one of the most basic understandings we have of our own species is absurd. We are a sexually dimorphic species.
Funny, I had thought that I was rather clear in stating that I am not arguing for compelled speech, I am arguing for the general application of common courtesy. Pronouns serve the function of providing a sort of shorthand for either unknown or deliberately unspecified individuals, or known individuals who would be obvious from the usage context, referring to someone who overtly occupies the social role of one gender by pronouns of the opposite gender renders the words themselves less useful by making them, by implication, more ambiguous. Even aside from hermaphrodites existing, and hormone insensitivities potentially producing people who do not overtly appear to match their gender.
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While schizophrenia is a recognized condition, there is no political pressure trying to force people to participate in the delusions of the schizophrenic. I absolutely accept that some guy feels like a woman, but I will never accept that he is a woman. That is a mental delusion in conflict with physical reality.
Precisely who is actually harmed by your usage of pronouns consistent with other people's self identity? Precisely who is harmed by your use of pronouns opposed to others' self-identities? Notice how the former set is distinctly smaller than the latter set. Now consider the sets of people harmed by generally acceding to the delusions of every schizophrenic and those harmed by not doing so. Notice how you are again resorting to strawmen, or at very least making statistically flawed arguments?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Precisely who is actually harmed by your usage of pronouns consistent with other people's self identity? Precisely who is harmed by your use of pronouns opposed to others' self-identities?


I't not a matter of who has harmed me, or whom I have harmed... it is a question of intellectually honesty. I left the religion of my parents because I found it intellectually dishonest.

I'm being asked to lie.

I do not go out of my way to call a transperson he or she, I'll ask their name and avoid pronouns. But I will not be compelled to lie.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shock! Yet another hate crime was, in fact, a hoax.

just like those hijab attacks.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sugar wrote:
Bones McCracker wrote:
sugar wrote:
Bones McCracker wrote:
sugar wrote:
Bones McCracker wrote:
Muso wrote:
If I slice open my neck to make it look like I have gills, I am not a shark.

++ :lol:

And even if you have shark hormone therapy and have shark gonads implanted, guess what? Your DNA still says you're not a shark.


Sharks can't be man/boy or woman/girl, because by definition, they're sharks.

Maybe shark society have some kind of useful concepts for gender, in the same way that human society does.

Who said anything about shark gender?

I'll give you a hint: nobody (except you, that is).

Now, think about that, and explain your malfunction.


ummmmm

Muso wrote:
She was jailed for telling the truth. A guy who has mutilated his body is not a woman.

If I slice open my neck to make it look like I have gills, I am not a shark.


noticed the gendered pronouns.

or I could just take your comment at face value, which basically boils down to

Quote:
hurp derp, and 1 + 1 = 2! lolz

Nobody said anything about shark gender.

The problem is you fail at analogies.

It's like if you told your mom she's stupid, and your dad said "Son, don't bite the hand that feeds you." You, following your logical dysfunction above, would probably say something stupid like, "But Dad! I didn't bite Mom! How can you say I bit Mom! I would never bite Mom!"

Then, when he says, "Son, you're a major dumbass. I never said you bit your mom," you'd be like, "Um... I hate to burst your bubble there daddy-o, but when I said Mom was stupid, you said "Don't bite the hand that feeds you." So there!

Go look in the mirror, look deep into your own eyes, and bitch-slap yourself.


*facepalm*

No, you da facepalm, buddy. Get a book on analogies and get to work. It's an important concept in human communication and basic reasoning. You're missing out.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Shock! Yet another hate crime was, in fact, a hoax.

Typical Democrat. Just like all the violence they instigate and then try to blame on conservatives.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jackson gay rights leader accused of burning down own home
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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To be fair they have been pulling fake and exaggerated hate crimes for quite some time. Getting called on it is new, so this may actually be a positive thing.
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Jackson gay rights leader accused of burning down own home
To be fair they have been pulling fake and exaggerated hate crimes for quite some time. Getting called on it is new, so this may actually be a positive thing.


True.

More good news : Woman accused of assaulting man in MAGA hat facing deportation :D
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NAZI CHARGED WITH HATE CRIME IN NEW YORK
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

12? Please. He had no idea what he was doing. Talk to the parents and maybe, maybe, remove him from the home if they are teaching him this and there is good evidence. Otherwise, its just a cry for attention. Obscene but harmless.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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12? Please. He had no idea what he was doing. Talk to the parents and maybe, maybe, remove him from the home if they are teaching him this and there is good evidence. Otherwise, its just a cry for attention. Obscene but harmless.


Exactly. A dumb 12 year old kid. Even the wording is wrong, "Hail" instead of "Heil". Thank god for the massive lolgov resources New York is burning through to get this "Nazi", we're all safe now. :lol:
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So it's jeans, not genes.
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Ex-transgender man now wants to live as sexless ALIEN and has had nipples removed

Proper headline : Insane woman keeps mutilating her body because of mental delusions.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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12? Please. He had no idea what he was doing. Talk to the parents and maybe, maybe, remove him from the home if they are teaching him this and there is good evidence. Otherwise, its just a cry for attention. Obscene but harmless.


Exactly. A dumb 12 year old kid. Even the wording is wrong, "Hail" instead of "Heil". Thank god for the massive lolgov resources New York is burning through to get this "Nazi", we're all safe now. :lol:

Sanity check for you guys.

If the kid's name is Ahmad Bakr Al-Isri, does that change your opinion any?
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Nope. At that age if anyone is responsible of wrongdoing it is the parents. If they are teaching this to the kid and trying to use him as a shield then take the kid away and charge them.
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12? Please. He had no idea what he was doing. Talk to the parents and maybe, maybe, remove him from the home if they are teaching him this and there is good evidence. Otherwise, its just a cry for attention. Obscene but harmless.


Exactly. A dumb 12 year old kid. Even the wording is wrong, "Hail" instead of "Heil". Thank god for the massive lolgov resources New York is burning through to get this "Nazi", we're all safe now. :lol:

Sanity check for you guys.

If the kid's name is Ahmad Bakr Al-Isri, does that change your opinion any?


No. Dumb kid is a dumb kid.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/crime-law/2019/01/26/texas-boxer-was-shot-death-his-own-home-suspect-year-old-boy/
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Conditioning kids as weapons is easy enough to do. Kids are by definition wired up to learn. That doesn't mean they have the same capacity for understanding as an adult has. In most cases you can treat an abused child and get a functioning adult. In some cases you can't, and that is tragic. But you shouldn't treat the child like an adult when they are not and do not fully appreciate the consequences of their actions. For instance, reaching for a toy gun when police show up is likely a reasonable reaction to a 12 year old. That is why the parents have to parent them and not let them play in a way that could be misconstrued as threatening.

I have known many kids who believe ridiculous things or behave in inappropriate ways. They generally grow out of it. If adults are grooming the kids to act inappropriately then that is a different crime.

So yes, suggesting that a 12 year old is truly motivated by malice is ridiculous. He is either mirroring his parents' beliefs or simply trying to get a reaction without understanding why it does. In either case the kid is not at fault and either needs to be taught why his actions are not appropriate and that there are consequences. By his parents, ideally. If they put him up to it, he needs to be removed from their care and they need to be charged with the crime and child abuse.
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