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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mountain mystic wrote:
I'm sorry, but aren't those two almost a paradox??

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The F-35 has two primary goals:

1. Strike without being seen.
2. Gather information and share it in real-time.


How does one strike without being seen if they are constantly sending out information???????? I'm sure anyone can scan for radio emissions and just send a missle that uses radio emissions as inital guidence before switching to radar/IR?

The first step toward wisdom is understanding that you don't know shit.

Spread-spectrum frequency-hopping transmitters are virtually impossible to DF, especially to a level of precision required for targeting.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bones McCracker wrote:
Spread-spectrum frequency-hopping transmitters are virtually impossible to DF, especially to a level of precision required for targeting.

Hell, it's totally possible. Right now public "knowledge" is that it can't do LINK16 sharing without being detected.

However on the radar front, Raytheon is claiming that the plane's AESA system can track targets without giving its position away.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bones McCracker wrote:
Spread-spectrum frequency-hopping transmitters are virtually impossible to DF, especially to a level of precision required for targeting.

Precision is only a matter of a fine enough tagging of reception time from each antenna element, even a single simple beacon update can give you away.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, well, I proved my own point. See, I don't know shit.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So ti's FM? I had a Philips with all that equipment on. Suddenly it was FM or LM that counted on!
Stupid patents....
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Okay, well, I proved my own point. See, I don't know shit.


Sorry my parenthese...This is some great shit going on. I see your shit has been proved, you just have to tell it's not from ms Marple's ass-
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bones McCracker wrote:
Okay, well, I proved my own point. See, I don't know shit.

That was an interesting recovery. For one to be right because they are wrong.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7940691/rafs-new-100million-f-35-fighter-jets-hit-by-more-problems-as-invisibility-coating-scratches-off-and-must-be-replaced-after-every-flight/
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Introducing the F-21, code named the Poo Fighter

Made in India

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The F-21 addresses the IAF's unique requirements
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like a poormans F16
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks shit. Has shit capabilities.

India will go with Russian Su-3xs instead.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Looks shit. Has shit capabilities.

India will go with Russian Su-3xs instead.

Hey, Trump is just trying to make India great again. Like it used to be, you know, around 250 BCE.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks to be doing its job quite well.

Stealth Strike: The Marines' Version of the F-35 Flew More Than 100 Combat Sorties
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It looks to be doing its job quite well.

Stealth Strike: The Marines' Version of the F-35 Flew More Than 100 Combat Sorties
takeout doesn't count
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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wswartzendruber wrote:
It looks to be doing its job quite well.

Stealth Strike: The Marines' Version of the F-35 Flew More Than 100 Combat Sorties
takeout doesn't count

Takeout?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Naib wrote:
wswartzendruber wrote:
It looks to be doing its job quite well.

Stealth Strike: The Marines' Version of the F-35 Flew More Than 100 Combat Sorties
takeout doesn't count

Takeout?
takeaway ;)
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay so "takeaway" doesn't count. I still don't know what that means.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I still don't know what that means.

He means taking a run down to the local chippie/Chinese/Indian to buy food to take home, because any old cheap pile of junk can do that.
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wswartzendruber wrote:
I still don't know what that means.

He means taking a run down to the local chippie/Chinese/Indian to buy food to take home, because any old cheap pile of junk can do that.

So any old pile of junk has the sensor suite to survey details of damage to targets that Super Hornets can't? Because that's not what the article says.
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aidanjt wrote:
wswartzendruber wrote:
I still don't know what that means.

He means taking a run down to the local chippie/Chinese/Indian to buy food to take home, because any old cheap pile of junk can do that.

So any old pile of junk has the sensor suite to survey details of damage to targets that Super Hornets can't? Because that's not what the article says.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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wswartzendruber wrote:
aidanjt wrote:
wswartzendruber wrote:
I still don't know what that means.

He means taking a run down to the local chippie/Chinese/Indian to buy food to take home, because any old cheap pile of junk can do that.

So any old pile of junk has the sensor suite to survey details of damage to targets that Super Hornets can't? Because that's not what the article says.
every boy racer puts go faster stripes and spoilers on their ford fiesta

If the F-35B is a Ford Fiesta, what does that make the Harrier? A tricycle? :?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wswartzendruber wrote:
It looks to be doing its job quite well.

Stealth Strike: The Marines' Version of the F-35 Flew More Than 100 Combat Sorties
Against two opponents who are, frankly, not up to defending themselves from Vietnam age fighters. Not exactly a trial by fire. Russia and Syria had very good reason to leave them alone, if for no other reason than to hide that they could track them (of course, not implying that they where, just that tipping their hand wouldn't be in their interests)

Which is, I assume, what the comments about takeout are about :)
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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wswartzendruber wrote:
It looks to be doing its job quite well.

Stealth Strike: The Marines' Version of the F-35 Flew More Than 100 Combat Sorties
Against two opponents who are, frankly, not up to defending themselves from Vietnam age fighters. Not exactly a trial by fire. Russia and Syria had very good reason to leave them alone, if for no other reason than to hide that they could track them (of course, not implying that they where, just that tipping their hand wouldn't be in their interests)

Which is, I assume, what the comments about takeout are about :)
By that measure, it has been a very long time since any new equipment has been so tested. Which makes that criticism less meaningful.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
By that measure, it has been a very long time since any new equipment has been so tested. Which makes that criticism less meaningful.

The opposition is unwilling to test.

F-22 stealth jets got 587 enemy aircraft to back off in their first 'combat surge' over Syria
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pjp wrote:
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wswartzendruber wrote:
It looks to be doing its job quite well.

Stealth Strike: The Marines' Version of the F-35 Flew More Than 100 Combat Sorties
Against two opponents who are, frankly, not up to defending themselves from Vietnam age fighters. Not exactly a trial by fire. Russia and Syria had very good reason to leave them alone, if for no other reason than to hide that they could track them (of course, not implying that they where, just that tipping their hand wouldn't be in their interests)

Which is, I assume, what the comments about takeout are about :)
By that measure, it has been a very long time since any new equipment has been so tested. Which makes that criticism less meaningful.
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