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 Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:24 pm Post subject: Saudi Arabia, What Options? |
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I've always said Iran is a human rights paradise compared to Saudi Arabia. The royal House started extremist wahhabism and members of the House supported the 9/11 attacks. The new crown prince was supposed to be a reformer, yet the place is a still in a cultural and moral dark age, even by Mideast standards as evidenced by the recent murder of the Washington Post reporter.
So what, if anything should "the West" do? The country is quickly running out of friends, so the old threat of an OPEC oil embargo might not carry as much weight as what it used to.
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Shun them, like Becky. No one likes Becky that's why Becky has no friends.*
*High school politics seem to be how the world actually works.
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Isolation via ignoring isn't enough. Start financially (predominantly via military aid) Yemen and Qatar. Saudi then have a nasty option of either carry on attacking and thus attack "the west" or start reigning in what they are doing in the region
Pakistan an Saudi are two countries that have been given a free pass for the last 30years with regards to terrorism ... remember it was pakistan that sold nuclear technology to SA,Libya, Iraq, NK
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It's the Middle East. It's a shitfest. Yes, Saudi Arabia has an abysmal civil rights record. But Iran is practically a continual sponsor of terror.
Israel seems to be pretty civilized, along with the UAE and Jordan. Aside from them, I just wouldn't expect much from the area.
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Bomb them.
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| wswartzendruber wrote: | It's the Middle East. It's a shitfest. Yes, Saudi Arabia has an abysmal civil rights record. But Iran is practically a continual sponsor of terror.
Israel seems to be pretty civilized, along with the UAE and Jordan. Aside from them, I just wouldn't expect much from the area. |
Actually Iran isn't what you think it is. Compared to Saudi Arabia and other Arab states, Iran has a process resembling democracy. And due to their Shia faith, they are not even seen as fellow Muslim by the rest of Arabic or Islamic world.
The paranoia about Iran in the US is largely because it's sponsored by Saudi Arabia.
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| notageek wrote: | | The paranoia about Iran in the US is largely because it's sponsored by Saudi Arabia. |
That and the fact that they took over the US Embassy and kept the staff hostage for over a year, they were responsible for killing over 200 Marine peacekeepers in Beirut, plus "Death to America" is their National Motto. I wouldn't exactly call it paranoia.
Plus, I think W has an idea of the Iranians, when one considers they were actively killing his fellow Marines in Iraq.
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| Old School wrote: | | notageek wrote: | | The paranoia about Iran in the US is largely because it's sponsored by Saudi Arabia. |
That and the fact that they took over the US Embassy and kept the staff hostage for over a year, they were responsible for killing over 200 Marine peacekeepers in Beirut, plus "Death to America" is their National Motto. I wouldn't exactly call it paranoia. |
Pesky details using reality. You should know better.
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| Muso wrote: | | Old School wrote: | | notageek wrote: | | The paranoia about Iran in the US is largely because it's sponsored by Saudi Arabia. |
That and the fact that they took over the US Embassy and kept the staff hostage for over a year, they were responsible for killing over 200 Marine peacekeepers in Beirut, plus "Death to America" is their National Motto. I wouldn't exactly call it paranoia. |
Pesky details using reality. You should know better. |
Logic is a failing of mine. 
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| Old School wrote: | | Logic is a failing of mine. |
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| Old School wrote: | | notageek wrote: | | The paranoia about Iran in the US is largely because it's sponsored by Saudi Arabia. |
That and the fact that they took over the US Embassy and kept the staff hostage for over a year, they were responsible for killing over 200 Marine peacekeepers in Beirut, plus "Death to America" is their National Motto. I wouldn't exactly call it paranoia.
Plus, I think W has an idea of the Iranians, when one considers they were actively killing his fellow Marines in Iraq. |
I wonder what Sunni Triangle refers to in Iraq? Surely they must be Iranians in Iraq.
Marine peacekeepers is an oxymoron. Think about it. Sending your shock-troops to maintain peace is so very logical. The only purpose that marine peacekeepers serve is when they get their asses kicked by third-world trained troops, one can claim them to be peace keepers.
US Embassy hostage taking, in Iran vs Sept 11, in the US, where thousands were killed. In 2001. Plus countless number of RoP attacks worldwide in the name of Sunni Islamic faith.
Yeah, clear evidence of Shia Iran sponsoring terror world-wide. /sarcasm
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| notageek wrote: | | Old School wrote: | | notageek wrote: | | The paranoia about Iran in the US is largely because it's sponsored by Saudi Arabia. |
That and the fact that they took over the US Embassy and kept the staff hostage for over a year, they were responsible for killing over 200 Marine peacekeepers in Beirut, plus "Death to America" is their National Motto. I wouldn't exactly call it paranoia.
Plus, I think W has an idea of the Iranians, when one considers they were actively killing his fellow Marines in Iraq. |
I wonder what Sunni Triangle refers to in Iraq? Surely they must be Iranians in Iraq.
Marine peacekeepers is an oxymoron. Think about it. Sending your shock-troops to maintain peace is so very logical. The only purpose that marine peacekeepers serve is when they get their asses kicked by third-world trained troops, one can claim them to be peace keepers.
US Embassy hostage taking, in Iran vs Sept 11, in the US, where thousands were killed. In 2001. Plus countless number of RoP attacks worldwide in the name of Sunni Islamic faith.
Yeah, clear evidence of Shia Iran sponsoring terror world-wide. /sarcasm |
Without getting into every point, i would recommend acquainting yourself with the 1982 Beirut evacuation of the PLO. Those Marines were the only thing between a pissed off Israeli army and Yasser Arafat and his PLO buddies. Ever hear of the Buenos Aires bombing of the Argentine-Israeli Association Building? Argentina is not very close to Iran.
You say we are paranoid about Iran, and you are basically full of BS. We have plenty of reasons for mutual distrust.
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One happened on 1982 and the other happened in 1994. Very current.
Also what has Israel got to do with the US? So a bunch of Jews got fried, was it an attack on the US?
Actually I should amend my previous statement, the paranoia is sponsored by Saudi money and Israeli influence. International Jewry in 2018.
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We could tell them that they've been very naughty and are going to be sent to bed without supper.
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| notageek wrote: | | Also what has Israel got to do with the US? So a bunch of Jews got fried, was it an attack on the US? |
Just to show the "worldwide" aspect of Iranian terrorism that you were not aware of. Geographically, Argentina is not very close to Iran.
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I see.
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| Old School wrote: | | Argentina is not very close to Iran. |
It was at one point in time.
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| John-Boy wrote: | | We could tell them that they've been very naughty and are going to be sent to bed without supper. |
A bit on the harsh side, don't you think?
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| wswartzendruber wrote: | | John-Boy wrote: | | We could tell them that they've been very naughty and are going to be sent to bed without supper. |
A bit on the harsh side, don't you think? |
That's not harsh, botty smacking is the next step.
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| John-Boy wrote: | | wswartzendruber wrote: | | John-Boy wrote: | | We could tell them that they've been very naughty and are going to be sent to bed without supper. |
A bit on the harsh side, don't you think? |
That's not harsh, botty smacking is the next step. |
Well washing their mouth out with soap for the porkies they have been saying over this journalist
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:17 am Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia, What Options? |
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| Old School wrote: | | The new crown prince was supposed to be a reformer |
Is he not reforming, or is it just that he's not reforming in a way you anticipated / expected / hoped?
| Old School wrote: | the recent murder of the Washington Post reporter.
So what, if anything should "the West" do? The country is quickly running out of friends, so the old threat of an OPEC oil embargo might not carry as much weight as what it used to. |
Here's the thing I don't get. Given the atrocities in the region, some which actually affected US citizens, why does the death of one contributor to the Compost suddenly matter to the point of panic. Personally I'm more concerned with Turkey. They seemed to have released Brunson awfully suddenly. Oct 12th? And I believe the reporter went missing on the 2nd? Given that Brunson was under house arrest, it seems likely that Turkey was eventually going to release him, but the timing is questionable. Unless we're prepared to abandon the region, we need to look out for our long term interests.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 5:28 am Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia, What Options? |
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| pjp wrote: | | why does the death of one contributor to the Compost suddenly matter to the point of panic. |
The media is raising a big stink because he was one of them.
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I thought he was just an OpEd critic of the crown. But I'm skeptical that's all it is, given their recent history of constant opportunistic outrage.
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Maybe the way he was killed has something to do with it?
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