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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 3:49 pm    Post subject: What will happen to the Kernel? Reply with quote

I'm sure this is going to be seen as inflammatory. It is not intended to be. People and organizations, how they work together is really interesting to me. This is just a thought experiment and an idea of what might happen.

Now that Linus is stepping aside, what will happen to the Kernel?

I suspect it will go the route that Gentoo went when Daniel Robbins stepped aside.

So here's a prediction, let's check back in a year or three and see how I did.

Because the vision of the Linux Kernel will have to be enforced by all parties and does not have a single point of contact for all things kernel related, the kernel will stray from it's own ideal. I think that the quality of the kernel and perhaps even the 100% backward compatibility may suffer as folks slack off while trying to modernize the kernel.

I expect this will happen for one to two years, during that time as the flow of the kernel becomes more democratic, people will begin to recognize the mistakes they made and without having an authority tap them on the shoulder (or punch them in the face as it used to be) they'll realize that they lost their way and restore normalcy.

Gentoo took about four years, IMO, to recover from the loss of Daniel. I think the Linux Kernel will do it about twice as fast because there are so many devotees of the project.

That means, in the near future, we as the Gentoo kernel guinea pigs will have to be more careful about updating the kernel, because there may be a higher chance that something gets broken. And since the kernel has really gotten a lot more complicated, it may be months before some of the more subtle bugs come to light.

The degradation will take a little time and as the democratization happens across the code base a new method of quality control will develop. The developers will become more self checking and they will team up to check each other's code even more than they do now.

There will be some paradigm shift. Just like when the kernel developers wrote git, something amazing will come about and the flow of software will change forever.

During this time there will be this push to be nice to each other. It will swing wildly to "way too soft and fuzzy," for a while and then it will finally settle in some place in the middle. Hopefully positively delivered negative feedback will be greeted with respect and taken seriously and hopefully the politics around "political correctness" will never interfere or cause a hierarchy within the kernel's main developers.

What do you guys think?

Is there going to be drama or will it all just work out?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too many cooks spoil the broth.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing will happen to the kernel.

Biggest contributors will continue to contribute. I.e redhat, ibm etc...
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SystemD will pick it up.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John-Boy wrote:
SystemD will pick it up.


Depending who takes over the lead, that's actually a significant concern. I wouldn't be surprised if they'll use this to try to ram BUS1 into the kernel, at which point, if/when Linus comes back, he'll likely stick to the long standing policy of not breaking user space.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

saellaven wrote:
John-Boy wrote:
SystemD will pick it up.


Depending who takes over the lead, that's actually a significant concern. I wouldn't be surprised if they'll use this to try to ram BUS1 into the kernel, at which point, if/when Linus comes back, he'll likely stick to the long standing policy of not breaking user space.

Worst case.

Best case is that it's forked while the now sjw'ed tree gets renamed something 'inclusive'
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

truekaiser wrote:
Best case is that it's forked while the now sjw'ed tree gets renamed something 'inclusive'


++

ChixWithDix and Linus can continue with Linux
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GNU will take over.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

notageek wrote:
GNU will take over.

:P


Hurd ... no, no that's taken ... Linux NT ... naw, just doesn't have the right ring to it ... I know we'll just call it TWMOS. :lol:
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nah, they'll call it something far simpler like "GNU Linux."





Waitaminute.....
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

notageek wrote:
Nah, they'll call it something far simpler like "GNU Linux."





Waitaminute.....


They'll call it GUX, and get banned from Korea.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Muso wrote:
notageek wrote:
Nah, they'll call it something far simpler like "GNU Linux."





Waitaminute.....


They'll call it GUX, and get banned from Korea.


linux+, Nah that's still too much like what they hate.
open source kernel. hmm that's more generic, and lacks the 'male' gender hints.
lgbtqosk?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

transnix?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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transnix?

*gives a quarter internet for the obvious pun I missed.*
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John-Boy wrote:
SystemD will pick it up.


That is funny! LOL.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

saellaven wrote:
John-Boy wrote:
SystemD will pick it up.


Depending who takes over the lead, that's actually a significant concern. I wouldn't be surprised if they'll use this to try to ram BUS1 into the kernel, at which point, if/when Linus comes back, he'll likely stick to the long standing policy of not breaking user space.

Apparently BUS1 has been inactive for several months now and dbus-broker is likely to put a tombstone on dbus in the kernel .... dbus-broker might replace dbus already in Fedora 29 tomorrow.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

erm67 wrote:
saellaven wrote:
John-Boy wrote:
SystemD will pick it up.


Depending who takes over the lead, that's actually a significant concern. I wouldn't be surprised if they'll use this to try to ram BUS1 into the kernel, at which point, if/when Linus comes back, he'll likely stick to the long standing policy of not breaking user space.

Apparently BUS1 has been inactive for several months now and dbus-broker is likely to put a tombstone on dbus in the kernel .... dbus-broker might replace dbus already in Fedora 29 tomorrow.

Never heard of it. Is it a saner version of dbus?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe it's the chance for Redox
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Muso wrote:
They'll call it GUX, and get banned from Korea.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

For those who don't know, that racial slur apparently comes from the Korean pronunciation of...



...which they write with their own alphabet as...



...or simply to us...

guk or gook
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

truekaiser wrote:
erm67 wrote:
saellaven wrote:
John-Boy wrote:
SystemD will pick it up.


Depending who takes over the lead, that's actually a significant concern. I wouldn't be surprised if they'll use this to try to ram BUS1 into the kernel, at which point, if/when Linus comes back, he'll likely stick to the long standing policy of not breaking user space.

Apparently BUS1 has been inactive for several months now and dbus-broker is likely to put a tombstone on dbus in the kernel .... dbus-broker might replace dbus already in Fedora 29 tomorrow.

Never heard of it. Is it a saner version of dbus?

Apparently, it was written by the author of BUS1 (the kernel module) and only works on linux and requires a recent kernel > 4.something. That is the best way to go probably, there are so many linux specific kernel api that are not used in the name of compatibility ....
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:07 am    Post subject: Re: What will happen to the Kernel? Reply with quote

RayDude wrote:
Now that Linus is stepping aside, what will happen to the Kernel?

Same thing that happened last time? He came back a few weeks later and enraged impotent apes on the other side of the world kept throwing chairs. The world doesn't stop turning for umarells.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The umarells know what will happen soon ...
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2019 7:00 pm    Post subject: Re: What will happen to the Kernel? Reply with quote

corporations will take over and ruin it. then you will have to install BSD. or maybe something else.
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2019 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To OP: citation required.

The only remotely revalent link I was able to find was from September of 2018 and, I quote "On Sunday, the benevolent dictator announced that he would be stepping down temporarily, to 'get some assistance on how to understand people’s emotions and respond appropriately.'"

Note the word in the above: temporarily
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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2019 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chillax man, he said he was just being inflammatory. Also, you were supposed to wait a year to necrophile this.
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