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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:09 am    Post subject: i3wm is the greatest wm of all time and made tmux pointless Reply with quote

Workflow speed has doubled. This is amazing. Forget your mouse, only use it in apps like GIMP and LibreOffice.

Here's a nice 3 video walk through of i3.

I've used nearly every *nix wm & DE. i3 reigns supreme.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been skeptical of tmux ever since I found out that "tmux split-window -v" splits the window horizontally, whereas "tmux split-window -h" splits the window vertically.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've been skeptical of tmux ever since I found out that "tmux split-window -v" splits the window horizontally, whereas "tmux split-window -h" splits the window vertically.

that is a bit facepalm. its like they encoded -h first and used it for height not horizontal then were a bit "well what now" with vertical split ... they should have just changed the command early on

That said... tmux is still very VERY useful for headless... I constantly have two tmux sessions running on my headless... one for general use when I shell in and another to run flexlm services
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You guys don't appreciate convenience.

I use screen.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You guys don't appreciate convenience.

I use screen.


Tmux has screen functionality,

That being said, I switched back to screen with i3.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:57 pm    Post subject: Re: i3wm is the greatest wm of all time and made tmux pointl Reply with quote

No WM works over ssh. Plus the ability to detach. I don't believe a WM can now (or anytime soon) replace those features. When I rebuild my laptop, i3 is on the short list.

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Here's a nice 3 video walk through of i3.
Uh oh. What's with the white "bar" flashing all over the place? That's extremely irritating. And more importantly, can it be turned off?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:04 pm    Post subject: Re: i3wm is the greatest wm of all time and made tmux pointl Reply with quote

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No WM works over ssh. Plus the ability to detach. I don't believe a WM can now (or anytime soon) replace those features. When I rebuild my laptop, i3 is on the short list.

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Here's a nice 3 video walk through of i3.
Uh oh. What's with the white "bar" flashing all over the place? That's extremely irritating. And more importantly, can it be turned off?


Seems to be a video artifact from how he recorded it.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, good. I thought it was some kind of "you're here" marker. Makes the video hard to watch.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ah, good. I thought it was some kind of "you're here" marker. Makes the video hard to watch.


Yeah. There is a very subtle "you're here" marker, but you can completely disable it or color theme it as you wish.

Focus is really intuitive, as is pretty much everything about i3. mod (windows key) and mod + shift make complete sense quickly, along with the keys used for actions. q = quit, r = restart/resize, 1 - 0 = work spaces, e = exit, arrow keys = as expected, etc etc
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

why i3 over awesome? Also i3 is sooo x11, all the cool kids use sway.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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why i3 over awesome?


Documentation for one, for two, I just never got into Awesome.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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why i3 over awesome?


Documentation for one, for two, I just never got into Awesome.

Just go straight to ludicrous.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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why i3 over awesome?


Documentation for one, for two, I just never got into Awesome.

Just go straight to ludicrous.


Ludicrous is for n00bs, Plaid is where it's really at.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ludicrous is for n00bs, Plaid is where it's really at.
Something along those lines will be what drivers of the new Roadster use to taunt Model S owners at Supercharger stations.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No love for IceWM... :'(
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Over an hour of configuring your awesome window manager. Awesome!

I spent 5 minutes installing some Gnome Shell extensions and moved on with my life.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Over an hour of configuring your awesome window manager. Awesome!

I spent 5 minutes installing some Gnome Shell extensions and moved on with my life.


Gnome is fine, it just feels so slow in comparison.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Over an hour of configuring your awesome window manager. Awesome!

I spent 5 minutes installing some Gnome Shell extensions and moved on with my life.
Gnome went in the wrong direction for me toward the end of 2. With 3, they went Full Braindead.

I uninstalled Gnome 2 and moved on with my life.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
Mardok45 wrote:
Over an hour of configuring your awesome window manager. Awesome!

I spent 5 minutes installing some Gnome Shell extensions and moved on with my life.
Gnome went in the wrong direction for me toward the end of 2. With 3, they went Full Braindead.

I uninstalled Gnome 2 and moved on with my life.
While I never really was a GNOME user ... ( windowmaker --> openbox) I did have gnome installed for the wify but when GNOME3 came along it got removed. Luckily before they then hard-depended on systemd
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While I never really was a GNOME user ... ( windowmaker --> openbox) I did have gnome installed for the wify but when GNOME3 came along it got removed. Luckily before they then hard-depended on systemd


I was actually setting up Openbox when I tried i3. I always liked the *box WMs. While KDE (Plasma) is fine, there are just so many features I don't need. After trying out Ranger, I'm no longer a fan of dolphin.

Nearly every tool I use is cli based, so not needing the mouse is an actual feature for me. Not having a menu seemed foreign at first, but using Rofi is so easy. Mod + d, type the first couple letters of the app then hit tab and it is launched. Mardok45 has a valid point, tuning i3wm initially takes a bit of time, but once it's done it's done. I use the same .config/i3/config on my linux systems now, so even on a fresh install I'd be up to speed in a couple minutes max.

At this point, I might just put Gentoo on my main Linux desktop, with the pentoo overlay and i3wm. The main advantage of Kali (assuming the same tools are in the pentoo overlay) would be the searchsploit function of the exploitdb that is built into Kali. I'll look later and see what the Pentoo overlay has in regards to that.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Over an hour of configuring your awesome window manager. Awesome!

I spent 5 minutes installing some Gnome Shell extensions and moved on with my life.
Gnome went in the wrong direction for me toward the end of 2. With 3, they went Full Braindead.

I uninstalled Gnome 2 and moved on with my life.


Which parts are braindead?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm surprised nobody has adressed the elephant in the room so far, so I'll do it: Why not dwm?
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Over an hour of configuring your awesome window manager. Awesome!

I spent 5 minutes installing some Gnome Shell extensions and moved on with my life.
Gnome went in the wrong direction for me toward the end of 2. With 3, they went Full Braindead.

I uninstalled Gnome 2 and moved on with my life.


Which parts are braindead?
That's not a dead horse worth kicking. My point was that just because it works for you doesn't mean it works for everyone.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mardok45 wrote:
Over an hour of configuring your awesome window manager. Awesome!

I spent 5 minutes installing some Gnome Shell extensions and moved on with my life.
Gnome went in the wrong direction for me toward the end of 2. With 3, they went Full Braindead.

I uninstalled Gnome 2 and moved on with my life.


Which parts are braindead?
That's not a dead horse worth kicking. My point was that just because it works for you doesn't mean it works for everyone.


Pffff, you did not attempt to make any point ever.

My point is you guys have Stockholm syndrome and your kidnapper is the hours of configuring your WM.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dr.Willy wrote:
I'm surprised nobody has adressed the elephant in the room so far, so I'll do it: Why not dwm?


I never tried it. When it came out I was using Enlightenment, happily.
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