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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 12:13 pm    Post subject: Firefox(60) alternatives? Reply with quote

WTF? Quietly minding my own business, emerge --update --foo --bah @world everything stops to compile Rust. And looking at my logs, what is Cargo? Investigating further, someone's decided to package some bits of Wine into my system. Digging further, I now realize I should have followed various threads about firefox.

While I'm sure Rust is a wonderful language, and even the most amateur codemonger will no longer be able to make mistakes (</in-case-anyone-doesn't-recognize-SARCASM>), I didn't want all this crap. It even looks worse (quite some achievement).

I tried, and liked Chromium, but (a) don't want to tell Google everything up to and including my inside leg measurement (b) I try to do weekly emerge --updates, and Chromium compile time was reaching 24x7 hours. Do the math.

So, anybody care to recommend alternatives please?

My wife's used Seamonkey for ages; I don't like it, but it's currently not using Rust. However, as it's mozilla-based, I assume its code will be rusting, and soon will be in the same maze of twisty tiny tunnels all different.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't have to build rust; you can use rust-bin alternatively. Speaking of browser alternatives, I like Falkon quite a bit. Of course it requires qtwebengine, which is basically Chromium's blink engine, but at least this is shared with potentially other packages on your system anyway.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Firefox 52 is still in the tree (though who knows for how long) but could always be put in local repository.

Palemoon is also available (overlay) and since it's a fork of firefox it would be familiar.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

asturm wrote:
You don't have to build rust; you can use rust-bin alternatively. Speaking of browser alternatives, I like Falkon quite a bit. Of course it requires qtwebengine, which is basically Chromium's blink engine, but at least this is shared with potentially other packages on your system anyway.

i'm not sure i want to install rust-bin or firefox-bin either. and i've been scouting for firefox alternatives too. google chrome/chromium seems worse solution to me. it was much better for a while just after it launched.

ideally i'd want a browser with umatrix.

never heard of it, but i'll have a look at falcon. thanks.

[update] falcon wants to uninstall qupzilla 8O
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pg_overlay has ungoogled-chromium ebuild. It's a bit painful to compile though, but luckily it doesn't update as often as regular chromium.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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[update] falcon wants to uninstall qupzilla 8O

Sure it does. Falkon is its successor. No more Qupzilla.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

asturm wrote:
josephg wrote:
[update] falcon wants to uninstall qupzilla 8O

Sure it does. Falkon is its successor. No more Qupzilla.

haha yes just found out when i went looking at falcon :)

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Palemoon is also available (overlay) and since it's a fork of firefox it would be familiar.

i don't venture out of gentoo repos. why isn't palemoon in the gentoo repos? is it because of some security issue or license restriction?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

josephg wrote:
Anon-E-moose wrote:
Palemoon is also available (overlay) and since it's a fork of firefox it would be familiar.

i don't venture out of gentoo repos. why isn't palemoon in the gentoo repos? is it because of some security issue or license restriction?


I'm not sure why.
Although the palemoon devs have been known to be jerks at times, I could say the same about the devs of many other packages that are in gentoo.
It may be as simple as no one standing forward to be the gentoo rep.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anon-E-moose wrote:
Palemoon is also available (overlay) and since it's a fork of firefox it would be familiar.

josephg wrote:
i don't venture out of gentoo repos. why isn't palemoon in the gentoo repos? is it because of some security issue or license restriction?

josephg ... because it invariably doesn't build:

Code:
% print -rl /var/tmp/portage/www-client/palemoon*
/var/tmp/portage/www-client/palemoon-27.2.1
/var/tmp/portage/www-client/palemoon-27.4.2
/var/tmp/portage/www-client/palemoon-27.8.0
/var/tmp/portage/www-client/palemoon-28.0.0

... the lastest build failure (which fortunately happened at ./configure ... and not after hours of compiling) being due to the absence of gconf (and I'm not using gnome, and its not in DEPEND).

best ... khay
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've built all of the palemoon 27.9 series, on two different computers, no problem. And I don't have gconf or use gnome either.
It does want the 4.9 series gcc though.

Haven't gotten around to compiling the 28 series, but will eventually.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

asturm wrote:
You don't have to build rust; you can use rust-bin alternatively. Speaking of browser alternatives, I like Falkon quite a bit. Of course it requires qtwebengine, which is basically Chromium's blink engine, but at least this is shared with potentially other packages on your system anyway.



Hm, falkon looks quite good, especially since I have qtwebengine installed anyway
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anon-E-moose wrote:
I've built all of the palemoon 27.9 series, on two different computers, no problem. And I don't have gconf or use gnome either.
It does want the 4.9 series gcc though.

Haven't gotten around to compiling the 28 series, but will eventually.


palemoon 27.x was a little wonky with newer compilers and would often crash if built with them.... I had some problems building with the palemoon-4 eclass (which may be related to the above build failures), so I was building it out of my own local repo to handle that.

Since 28.x, I'm back on the palemoon overlay using gcc 7.3.0 without any problems.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

saellaven wrote:
Since 28.x, I'm back on the palemoon overlay using gcc 7.3.0 without any problems.


Thanks for the info. I pulled the 28.0.1 ebuild but haven't gotten around to compiling it yet.
Good to know that it'll work with 7.3.0, that's the only thing I was keeping gcc 4.9.4 around for.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the alternatives; I forgot to mention I also use Opera on my laptop, which seems much faster than firefox, and it's battery-saving feature actually seems to work - when I start firefox, the fan goes berserk; not on opera. But I have qualms about passing sensitive information through closed-source code.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use a binary Nightly version from Mozilla. It will update itself with small binary diff updates if it has the right permissions.

Extract it to op, install apulse if you don't use pulseaudio, and throw a "script" into /usr/local/bin.
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echo '/usr/bin/apulse /opt/firefox/firefox "$@"' > /usr/local/bin/firefox
chmod +x /usr/local/bin/firefox
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anon-E-moose wrote:
josephg wrote:
Anon-E-moose wrote:
Palemoon is also available (overlay) and since it's a fork of firefox it would be familiar.

i don't venture out of gentoo repos. why isn't palemoon in the gentoo repos? is it because of some security issue or license restriction?


I'm not sure why.
Although the palemoon devs have been known to be jerks at times, I could say the same about the devs of many other packages that are in gentoo.
It may be as simple as no one standing forward to be the gentoo rep.


This infamous moment in history will shed some light. I strongly suspect it has to do with complying with the insane terms, and rightfully so Gentoo will have nothing to do with it. I could be wrong, surely, but this is probably why.
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