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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:06 pm    Post subject: A thread on gentoo-dev titled "rfc: killing mediawiki&q Reply with quote

https://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org/msg82877.html

Maybe we should rename the distro to WilliamHelltoo at this point.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why are you against discussing a better solution than mediawiki?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

asturm wrote:
Why are you against discussing a better solution than mediawiki?
his reasoning is asinine

So he want to edit in markdown (which mediawiki does... Wiki markdown) and have a git backend ... So you don't have to edit in a browser. WHAT THE FISH

Holy convolution.


Dokuwiki is actually quite nice, the data is plaintext files which means you could easily use git (there is a git backend plugin) and in theory you could edit the files directly.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Naib wrote:
So he want to edit in markdown (which mediawiki does... Wiki markdown) and have a git backend ... So you don't have to edit in a browser. WHAT THE FISH

Yes, 1) accessibility and 2) manageability without a webinterface.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

asturm wrote:
Why are you against discussing a better solution than mediawiki?

Why is the thread in an invite-only echo chamber shielded from the actual stakeholders any decision is going to affect? I'm not the one against discussion here, you are.

We should really be discussing a better solution than the gentoo-dev hegemony, because that's a real problem that needs solving. One developer being too lazy to RTFM is not.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ant P. wrote:
asturm wrote:
Why are you against discussing a better solution than mediawiki?

Why is the thread in an invite-only echo chamber shielded from the actual stakeholders any decision is going to affect? I'm not the one against discussion here, you are.
Exactly, who benefits the most from the wiki? the community as they enhance it or utilise it to better their system. Who is advocating changing it? a developer who, and I quote don't care that we have a wiki opening a discussion in as you put it, an echo chamber, whether those who have the most use of it cannot comment.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ant P. wrote:
asturm wrote:
Why are you against discussing a better solution than mediawiki?

Why is the thread in an invite-only echo chamber shielded from the actual stakeholders any decision is going to affect? I'm not the one against discussion here, you are.

You can't pivot away from the fact that you've been caught making an ass of yourself here.

From one echo chamber to another: No matter how you think about the gentoo-dev whitelist, so far I am not aware that anyone has been denied access to the list, so just join if you want to.

This thread is not making a strong case of opening it up again.

Naib wrote:
and I quote don't care that we have a wiki opening a discussion in as you put it

And this would be a misrepresentation of the intent of his mail.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 8:45 pm    Post subject: Re: A thread on gentoo-dev titled "rfc: killing mediawi Reply with quote

Ant P. wrote:
https://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org/msg82877.html

OMFG! And the usual cabal comes out to defend him.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Naib wrote:
So you don't have to edit in a browser. WHAT THE FISH
And you are blind, are you, so you know all about the issues involved?
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Holy convolution.
Holy pause for reflection before you even think of posting, never mind hitting submit.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:44 am    Post subject: Re: A thread on gentoo-dev titled "rfc: killing mediawi Reply with quote

Tony0945 wrote:
Ant P. wrote:
https://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org/msg82877.html

OMFG! And the usual cabal comes out to defend him.
I was one of the people to support the idea when gentoo-dev was not moderated. I think it would increase the number of Wiki editors. Most people who use Gentoo I can't see being averse to editing Markdown.

The main issue that has been raised is that some Mediawiki templates will not work.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

asturm wrote:
Why are you against discussing a better solution than mediawiki?
Oh dear.
Have you stopped beating your wife yet, asturm?

After so many years, you really should have absorbed that lesson, by now.
And yet here you are, asking loaded questions without even a hint of self-awareness.
Ant P. wrote:
Why is the thread in an invite-only echo chamber shielded from the actual stakeholders any decision is going to affect? I'm not the one against discussion here, you are.
asturm wrote:
You can't pivot away from the fact that you've been caught making an ass of yourself here.
Oh dear. This is wrong in several ways.
Most severely, you have shown yourself to be more interested in put-downs, than in true communication.
In doing so, you prove yourself an ass, without needing anyone else to "catch" you out.

What is wrong with speaking to the substantive? If you have no answer, just admit that, instead of acting as though your family were being insulted.
asturm wrote:
From one echo chamber to another
Dear oh dear. There really is no stopping you when you're after your dopamine fix.
You cannot deflect from the substantive point, that gentoo dev is now an echo-chamber, by claiming rather foolishly that the forums are just the same: everyone knows that to be false.
Including you, before you were on a crack-fix.
asturm wrote:
No matter how you think about the gentoo-dev whitelist, so far I am not aware that anyone has been denied access to the list
Good Lord, man, is that the level of your disputation?
One can only infer that your reasoning is grossly distorted by the psychosis you enjoy so much.
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This thread is not making a strong case of opening it up again.
LMAO.
You truly believe in the illusory hierarchy.

You really are in line for a rude awakening, once self-insight kicks in.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are entitled to your opinion.
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