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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 10:52 am    Post subject: Isn't labelling Liberal as such a bit of a misnomer? Reply with quote

So, I've been watching interviews & debates on Youtube today. A large number of them were of Liberal folks and I can't help but notice how orthodox and illogical a lot of them are.

They seem to do a lot of these things:

1. State opposite points based on what's convenient at the time.
2. Be very adamant of what they believe in. The belief seems to be rooted in emotions rather than logic.
2. Play semantics and other tricks to dodge questions. I think they dodge the questions cause they don't want to confront their own belief.
3. Have a holier-than-thou attitude of righteousness. Anything challenging their views are marked as evil.
4. Are actually authoritarian. e.g. "My view is the only correct one. You oppose it only because you're stupid/don't know any better"


I always assumed that the Liberals were the freethinkers, that they'd actually allow the freedom of having opposing viewpoints. So, these 'Liberals' shouldn't actually be called as such, right? :roll:
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's almost like calling Democrats "Liberals" is as big of a misnomer as calling Handegg "Football"
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know who is really liberal?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

American "liberals" aren't "liberals" at all; they are collectivist-authoritarian brainSphincterNazis.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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American "liberals" aren't "liberals" at all; they are collectivist-authoritarian brainSphincterNazis.


Aka socialists.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're usually antisocialists
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

they're not logical because they're not arguing based on logic. they're arguing based on clinically hysterical emotion. look at one of their most common arguments... "you can't speak on minority issues because you're not a minority and you can't know their experiences." what they're doing is demanding an emotional response. we know this because in american law, their argument is the pinnacle of what's called a golden rule violation. golden rule is so fundamental for trial attorneys in that any reference even close to it is instant grounds for a mistrial, often with sanctions against the attorney who makes it. the golden rule argument seeks to put someone in a particular persons' shoes (usually a victim), in an attempt to appeal to removing objectivity and logic, and instead appeal to emotion. in other words, one of their core arguments is banned in court because it evicts logic for hysteria.

that's why they screech and REEEEEEE and throw physically violent tantrums. emotional immaturity is a defining characteristic of modern liberals.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Careful guys, keep it up and you might get bitten by a Lesbian Eskimo Midget Left-Handed Ninja Albino ;)
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

big dave wrote:
they're not logical because they're not arguing based on logic. they're arguing based on clinically hysterical emotion. look at one of their most common arguments... "you can't speak on minority issues because you're not a minority and you can't know their experiences." what they're doing is demanding an emotional response. we know this because in american law, their argument is the pinnacle of what's called a golden rule violation. golden rule is so fundamental for trial attorneys in that any reference even close to it is instant grounds for a mistrial, often with sanctions against the attorney who makes it. the golden rule argument seeks to put someone in a particular persons' shoes (usually a victim), in an attempt to appeal to removing objectivity and logic, and instead appeal to emotion. in other words, one of their core arguments is banned in court because it evicts logic for hysteria.

that's why they screech and REEEEEEE and throw physically violent tantrums. emotional immaturity is a defining characteristic of modern liberals.

Teh moral outrage!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Careful guys, keep it up and you might get bitten by a Lesbian Eskimo Midget Left-Handed Ninja Albino ;)

With bad hygeine and Butch hair, and a vein popping out in it's forehead from moral outraej!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:35 am    Post subject: Re: Isn't labelling Liberal as such a bit of a misnomer? Reply with quote

Amity88 wrote:
So, I've been watching interviews & debates on Youtube today. A large number of them were of Liberal folks and I can't help but notice how orthodox and illogical a lot of them are.

They seem to do a lot of these things:

1. State opposite points based on what's convenient at the time.
2. Be very adamant of what they believe in. The belief seems to be rooted in emotions rather than logic.
2. Play semantics and other tricks to dodge questions. I think they dodge the questions cause they don't want to confront their own belief.
3. Have a holier-than-thou attitude of righteousness. Anything challenging their views are marked as evil.
4. Are actually authoritarian. e.g. "My view is the only correct one. You oppose it only because you're stupid/don't know any better"


I always assumed that the Liberals were the freethinkers, that they'd actually allow the freedom of having opposing viewpoints. So, these 'Liberals' shouldn't actually be called as such, right? :roll:


it's about class structure. Conservatives want to 'conserve' the current class structure. Liberals want to change the existing class structure.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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they're not logical because they're not arguing based on logic. they're arguing based on clinically hysterical emotion. look at one of their most common arguments... "you can't speak on minority issues because you're not a minority and you can't know their experiences." what they're doing is demanding an emotional response. we know this because in american law, their argument is the pinnacle of what's called a golden rule violation. golden rule is so fundamental for trial attorneys in that any reference even close to it is instant grounds for a mistrial, often with sanctions against the attorney who makes it. the golden rule argument seeks to put someone in a particular persons' shoes (usually a victim), in an attempt to appeal to removing objectivity and logic, and instead appeal to emotion. in other words, one of their core arguments is banned in court because it evicts logic for hysteria.

that's why they screech and REEEEEEE and throw physically violent tantrums. emotional immaturity is a defining characteristic of modern liberals.


Those are leftists. Not liberals.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Those are leftists. Not liberals.


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It's sad how leftists have poisoned the term liberal.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 12:44 am    Post subject: Re: Isn't labelling Liberal as such a bit of a misnomer? Reply with quote

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it's about class structure. Conservatives want to 'conserve' the current class structure. Liberals want to change the existing class structure.

So Neo-Nazis are actually liberals then? I knew there was something dodgy about those guys!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:58 am    Post subject: Re: Isn't labelling Liberal as such a bit of a misnomer? Reply with quote

sugar wrote:
it's about class structure. Conservatives want to 'conserve' the current class structure. Liberals want to change the existing class structure.

Go away Karl, the adults are talking.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 12:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Isn't labelling Liberal as such a bit of a misnomer? Reply with quote

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sugar wrote:
it's about class structure. Conservatives want to 'conserve' the current class structure. Liberals want to change the existing class structure.

Go away Karl, the adults are talking.
sugar is correct. modern day liberals want a Maoist cultural revolution. They are a bunch of authoritarian collectivists, that know much better than you on how you live your life.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 12:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Isn't labelling Liberal as such a bit of a misnomer? Reply with quote

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sugar is correct. modern day liberals want a Maoist cultural revolution. They are a bunch of authoritarian collectivists, that know much better than you on how to live your life.

Oh I wasn't disputing that, I'm well aware of the Marxist-Maoist more-than-tendencies of the Western "intellectuals" and education.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A call for "social justice" is a call for get the fuck out.
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You know who is really liberal?
Libertarians.

They are liberty loving liberals.
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notageek wrote:
You know who is really liberal?
Libertarians.

They are liberty loving liberals.

Who asked you?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:14 am    Post subject: Re: Isn't labelling Liberal as such a bit of a misnomer? Reply with quote

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sugar wrote:
it's about class structure. Conservatives want to 'conserve' the current class structure. Liberals want to change the existing class structure.

So Neo-Nazis are actually liberals then? I knew there was something dodgy about those guys!


Fascism arises, usually, as a bourgeoisie to preserve itself and attempt to crush an imminent proletariat uprising. Fascism takes various forms, but my understanding is that a common theme is using nationalism to reinforce the existing class structure.
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notageek wrote:
You know who is really liberal?
Libertarians.

They are liberty loving liberals.


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They are the classic liberals.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Isn't labelling Liberal as such a bit of a misnomer? Reply with quote

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sugar wrote:
it's about class structure. Conservatives want to 'conserve' the current class structure. Liberals want to change the existing class structure.

So Neo-Nazis are actually liberals then? I knew there was something dodgy about those guys!


Fascism arises, usually, as a bourgeoisie to preserve itself and attempt to crush an imminent proletariat uprising. Fascism takes various forms, but my understanding is that a common theme is using nationalism to reinforce the existing class structure.

Sounds like bullshit to me. I think what you're saying is that it's "reactionary", but that's a load of horse poo poo.
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So according to sugar, the multiculturalism new world order no borders people are turning fascist, trying to preserve their status.
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So according to sugar, the multiculturalism new world order no borders people are turning fascist, trying to preserve their status.

Exactly. Once that became the widely accepted socio-political norm for "Western" states, they turned to authoritarian, Orwellian, Stalinist tactics to silence democratic discourse, criminalize dissent, and literally persecute their fellow citizens. How do they justify such evil? With the same philosophy of Hitler, Pol Pot, and all those like them: it's for the greater good, of course. Ignorance is strength! Liberal fascism! If you don't agree, I hate you!
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