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Cool! No problem here, it's only research and I'm sure we can trust them
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AWESOME! I can't wait for this to end the world somehow! (Zombies included)
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Uh this seems like a really bad idea to me guys. Maybe we should think this over first.
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Where is the oversight from the public on whether the researchers have the right to do this?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:42 pm    Post subject: When will scientific researchers learn from science fiction? Reply with quote

Researchers build DNA replication in a model synthetic cell

Relevant quote (which I believe justifies the title of the thread):

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“Viruses are very intriguing from a molecular biology point of view”, said Van Nies. “They are extremely efficient in encoding proteins in a small genome and in robustly replicating their genetic information.” In human cells, DNA replication is managed by hundreds of proteins. Φ29 only needs four.


Right after saying they are combining it with research based from "E. coli and tweaking them."

So let's all applaud that our leading researchers are playing with viruses and introducing them to other viruses to see how they play with one another.

How could this possibly go wrong?!?!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At least they aren't using Hantavirus, with an E.coli vector I guess.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have read about 'viruses' and fungi in your brain. I just leave things at that...
Chip in brain? We do have molecular bacteria that will fight the obscure infestants of metall !!!
Get ready to be stunned. Fizzled and obsolete.
EDIT: Someone let off the option to say: Science and scientists aren't the same, but they try to be Star Wars because they are geeks
EDIT2: May I ask what happen with D.R.A.C.O ? In 2011 it was the rage to kill any ailment found.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:29 pm    Post subject: Re: When will scientific researchers learn from science fict Reply with quote

BonezTheGoon wrote:
How could this possibly go wrong?!?!


If it reverses hair loss, I'm pretty cool with a zombie apocalypse.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They have also started growing human "minibrains" in the lab to study autism, although there is some concern over whether or not these might become self-aware and capable of experiencing fear and suffering.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/04/25/605331749/tiny-lab-grown-brains-raise-big-ethical-questions
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to refreshen you all about authism. There is an englishman, yes, you heard that right.
He is named Daniel Tammet. Authist and still social and emotional enough to comprehend the world around him
He did learn Islandic in one week. Count the decimal of Pi in the decimal of 22500+ and he think the number nine is huge and frightening.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPySn3slfXI

The minibrain is on the NEANDERTHALS! Or should I say Rosenthals?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bones McCracker wrote:
They have also started growing human "minibrains" in the lab to study autism, although there is some concern over whether or not these might become self-aware and capable of experiencing fear and suffering.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/04/25/605331749/tiny-lab-grown-brains-raise-big-ethical-questions
What about neural networks, then? It is no stretch of the imagination to claim that current models are capable of experiencing pain. That is how they learn, and perhaps the most effective (or only) way for a thing to learn.

In some Sci-Fi I have found there are often oblique references to the illegality of cloning oneself or creating artificial intelligence without a license. It makes me wonder how those things would be enforced and the cost they would impose on society.

The same concerns apply to gene editing and bioengineering.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What about neural networks, then? It is no stretch of the imagination to claim that current models are capable of experiencing pain. That is how they learn

Nonsense. Where did you get this absurd idea?
Minus 20 credibility points.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bones McCracker wrote:
R0b0t1 wrote:
What about neural networks, then? It is no stretch of the imagination to claim that current models are capable of experiencing pain. That is how they learn

Nonsense. Where did you get this absurd idea?
Minus 20 credibility points.
This article (pain in invertibrates) is a good starting point and links to the analysis of pain in other classes of life. Pain can be defined: it is a sensory experience which produces a learned response to the avoidance of stimulus. Without memory the reaction would be of the same inevitability as a ball rolling down a hill once released.

Working from the other direction, a stock trading system which learns via being penalized must be necessarily experiencing pain based on the definition above.

Systems which are trained and then deployed would not experience pain.
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