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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SF Chronicle wrote:
Sure, San Francisco has great facets worthy of postcards and travel books, but it also has a worsening underbelly that D’Alessandro says he can no longer gloss over.

People injecting themselves with drugs in broad daylight, their dirty needles and other garbage strewn on the sidewalks. Tent camps. Human feces. The threatening behavior of some people who appear either mentally ill or high. Petty theft.

“The streets are filthy. There’s trash everywhere. It’s disgusting,” D’Alessandro said, adding he’s traveled the world, and San Francisco stands out for the wrong reasons. “I’ve never seen any other city like this — the homelessness, dirty streets, drug use on the streets, smash-and-grabs.

“How can it be?” he continued. “How can it have gotten to this point?”

Remember, this is the man whose job is to glorify San Francisco, which tells you something about how far the city has sunk.


I liked the city and bay area thirty years ago ...
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just goes to show what a couple of generations of batshit crazy liberalism will get you.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

flysideways wrote:
SF Chronicle wrote:
Sure, San Francisco has great facets worthy of postcards and travel books, but it also has a worsening underbelly that D’Alessandro says he can no longer gloss over.

People injecting themselves with drugs in broad daylight, their dirty needles and other garbage strewn on the sidewalks. Tent camps. Human feces. The threatening behavior of some people who appear either mentally ill or high. Petty theft.

“The streets are filthy. There’s trash everywhere. It’s disgusting,” D’Alessandro said, adding he’s traveled the world, and San Francisco stands out for the wrong reasons. “I’ve never seen any other city like this — the homelessness, dirty streets, drug use on the streets, smash-and-grabs.

“How can it be?” he continued. “How can it have gotten to this point?”

Remember, this is the man whose job is to glorify San Francisco, which tells you something about how far the city has sunk.


I liked the city and bay area thirty years ago ...
You may find this thread entertaining: San Francisco leads the nation in outward migration
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In California, they have double-wides for schools.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You may find this thread entertaining: San Francisco leads the nation in outward migration

I really don’t get this - if the net outflow is really so huge, why do housing and rent prices keep going up?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You may find this thread entertaining: San Francisco leads the nation in outward migration

I really don’t get this - if the net outflow is really so huge, why do housing and rent prices keep going up?
What's the rate of net loss? How long does it take to have supply exceed demand? How is the net loss distributed across economic classes?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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pjp wrote:
You may find this thread entertaining: San Francisco leads the nation in outward migration

I really don’t get this - if the net outflow is really so huge, why do housing and rent prices keep going up?

Landlords gotta pay mortgages too. Also, evil capitalist Gap between rich and poor growing in hipplie hypocrite land faster than anywhere else.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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4) the president and leaders of the parties should have to attend Congress every day for a minimum of 4 hours discussing and answering questions unless something unforseen happens or they have diplomatic duties. The president will take his holidays at the same time as Congress and will have 3-5 weeks of paid holiday just like every other American, the rest of the time remaining in and around Washington.

That’s a joke, right?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A constitution should be about inalienable rights not guns and alcohol. It should be about free speech, freedom of religion, right to congregate etc. It becomes worthless when you put worthless things in it. If you can argue it then it shouldn't be in there.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A constitution should be about inalienable rights not guns and alcohol. It should be about free speech, freedom of religion, right to congregate etc. It becomes worthless when you put worthless things in it. If you can argue it then it shouldn't be in there.
By your "logic" the First Amendment needs abolished, since American leftists argue, protest, and riot to limit free speech.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cokey wrote:
A constitution should be about inalienable rights not guns and alcohol. It should be about free speech, freedom of religion, right to congregate etc. It becomes worthless when you put worthless things in it. If you can argue it then it shouldn't be in there.


Go on, tell us more.
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aiming at full employment ...
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Article I-8
The symbols of the Union
The flag of the Union shall be a circle of twelve golden stars on a blue background.
The anthem of the Union shall be based on the ‘Ode to Joy’ from the Ninth Symphony by Ludwig van
Beethoven.
The motto of the Union shall be: ‘United in diversity’.
The currency of the Union shall be the euro.
Europe day shall be celebrated on 9 May throughout the Union.
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Article I-13
Areas of exclusive competence
1. The Union shall have exclusive competence in the following areas:
(a) customs union;
(b) the establishing of the competition rules necessary for the functioning of the internal market;
(c) monetary policy for the Member States whose currency is the euro;
(d) the conservation of marine biological resources under the common fisheries policy;
(e) common commercial policy.


not gonna do all 485 pages
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Article II-91
Fair and just working conditions
1. Every worker has the right to working conditions which respect his or her health, safety and
dignity.
2. Every worker has the right to limitation of maximum working hours, to daily and weekly
rest periods and to an annual period of paid leave.

Quote:
Article II-97
Environmental protection
A high level of environmental protection and the improvement of the quality of the environment
must be integrated into the policies of the Union and ensured in accordance with the principle of
sustainable development.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

May 9th is "Europe Day." :lol:

May 1st would be more appropriate.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cokey wrote:
A constitution should be about inalienable rights not guns and alcohol. It should be about free speech, freedom of religion, right to congregate etc. It becomes worthless when you put worthless things in it. If you can argue it then it shouldn't be in there.


Objects or objectives. Objects are the results of objectives. Objectives cause actions which cause reasoned objects. Objects are merely tools used to protect or further actions resulting from objectives.

Tangible or Intangible. A constitution, the paper it self is an object, tangible, but the ideologies put forth upon paper, are intangibles.

All are interrogative in that without one, the other cannot exist. Product of a product. Free masons were instrumental in the writing of the declaration of independence and the US constitution.

Free Masons have been around for thousands of years, and have experienced and survived political and religious oppressive changes and transformations over thousands of years throughout every political and or religious regime to have existed in the past three thousand years.

Free Masonry is nothing more than seeking the light of darkness without interference from objective groups. Which in every case of political and or religious group, has been to control and annihilate any and all other groups. Free Masons is the only group that freely accepts any and all groups, and is the only group that is not bound by other group borders. Both Briton and France, both mentioned previously in this thread, have been heavily influenced by the Free Masons. Hence some of the similarity in believe, but objective nuances of different flavors.

The US declaration of independence and US constitution are the most modern inceptions of lessons learned by the Free Masons. All but a trial to keep groups of one thought from enforcing their group thought upon other groups, in an attempt to empower free thought, progression, and the general public to live in free harmony.

Every group enacts action through the use of objects tangible and or intangible to enforce survive-ability. Taking away objects from one group, only strengthens one group over another. Same ideology of assured annihilation through the proliferation of nuclear weapons. Simply put, weapons stops one group from annihilating and controlling another group.

It appears that Cokey while inciting worthless, is clearly stating that taking the tools that protect freedom are worthwhile to take away.

One first has to experience freedom to know freedom.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

flysideways wrote:
cokey wrote:
A constitution should be about inalienable rights not guns and alcohol. It should be about free speech, freedom of religion, right to congregate etc. It becomes worthless when you put worthless things in it. If you can argue it then it shouldn't be in there.


Go on, tell us more.
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aiming at full employment ...
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Article I-8
The symbols of the Union
The flag of the Union shall be a circle of twelve golden stars on a blue background.
The anthem of the Union shall be based on the ‘Ode to Joy’ from the Ninth Symphony by Ludwig van
Beethoven.
The motto of the Union shall be: ‘United in diversity’.
The currency of the Union shall be the euro.
Europe day shall be celebrated on 9 May throughout the Union.
Quote:
Article I-13
Areas of exclusive competence
1. The Union shall have exclusive competence in the following areas:
(a) customs union;
(b) the establishing of the competition rules necessary for the functioning of the internal market;
(c) monetary policy for the Member States whose currency is the euro;
(d) the conservation of marine biological resources under the common fisheries policy;
(e) common commercial policy.


not gonna do all 485 pages
a) that's the EU, not the UK
b) just because you show me a country (or even mine) that has other things in doesn't mean I will suddenly admit that I am wrong
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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cokey wrote:
A constitution should be about inalienable rights not guns and alcohol. It should be about free speech, freedom of religion, right to congregate etc. It becomes worthless when you put worthless things in it. If you can argue it then it shouldn't be in there.


Objects or objectives. Objects are the results of objectives. Objectives cause actions which cause reasoned objects. Objects are merely tools used to protect or further actions resulting from objectives.

Tangible or Intangible. A constitution, the paper it self is an object, tangible, but the ideologies put forth upon paper, are intangibles.

All are interrogative in that without one, the other cannot exist. Product of a product. Free masons were instrumental in the writing of the declaration of independence and the US constitution.

Free Masons have been around for thousands of years, and have experienced and survived political and religious oppressive changes and transformations over thousands of years throughout every political and or religious regime to have existed in the past three thousand years.

Free Masonry is nothing more than seeking the light of darkness without interference from objective groups. Which in every case of political and or religious group, has been to control and annihilate any and all other groups. Free Masons is the only group that freely accepts any and all groups, and is the only group that is not bound by other group borders. Both Briton and France, both mentioned previously in this thread, have been heavily influenced by the Free Masons. Hence some of the similarity in believe, but objective nuances of different flavors.

The US declaration of independence and US constitution are the most modern inceptions of lessons learned by the Free Masons. All but a trial to keep groups of one thought from enforcing their group thought upon other groups, in an attempt to empower free thought, progression, and the general public to live in free harmony.

Every group enacts action through the use of objects tangible and or intangible to enforce survive-ability. Taking away objects from one group, only strengthens one group over another. Same ideology of assured annihilation through the proliferation of nuclear weapons. Simply put, weapons stops one group from annihilating and controlling another group.

It appears that Cokey while inciting worthless, is clearly stating that taking the tools that protect freedom are worthwhile to take away.

One first has to experience freedom to know freedom.
You were talking sense until you started gibbering about freemasonry.

Now although your argument "[It appears that] Cokey while inciting worthless, is clearly stating that taking the tools that protect freedom are worthwhile to take away" sounds like sense it actually isn't. You also need food, water, transportation, a population, medical care and a million other things to do it but you can't put them all in a constitution. That is why you have a judiciary, if not then you might as well put every law in the country in a constitution - which is plainly absurd
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Declaration of Independence was penned in a Free Masonry Lodge in South Carolina. Clearly you need to better study the History of the US, and most importantly those who started it.

You need to read Each states Constitution.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

George Washington's Inaugural was a Free Mason ceremony.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cokey wrote:
A constitution should be about inalienable rights not guns and alcohol. It should be about free speech, freedom of religion, right to congregate etc. It becomes worthless when you put worthless things in it. If you can argue it then it shouldn't be in there.

By your logic, since your countrymen fought three bloody civil wars to establish the constitutional right of the people to withhold consent to the monarch's rule (civil wars which, I think we can all agree, more than qualify as "arguing"), your so-called Constitution is completely invalid. Again, by your logic.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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May 9th is "Europe Day." :lol:

May 1st would be more appropriate.

Or April 1st
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Bones McCracker wrote:
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Again, by your logic.

Cokey has logic? :roll:
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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George Washington's Inaugural was a Deep State ceremony.
FTFY :P
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Declaration of Independence was penned in a Free Masonry Lodge in South Carolina. Clearly you need to better study the History of the US, and most importantly those who started it.

You need to read Each states Constitution.

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I'm not disputing that, I'm disputing that it means anything
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Bones McCracker wrote:
cokey wrote:
A constitution should be about inalienable rights not guns and alcohol. It should be about free speech, freedom of religion, right to congregate etc. It becomes worthless when you put worthless things in it. If you can argue it then it shouldn't be in there.

By your logic, since your countrymen fought three bloody civil wars to establish the constitutional right of the people to withhold consent to the monarch's rule (civil wars which, I think we can all agree, more than qualify as "arguing"), your so-called Constitution is completely invalid. Again, by your logic.
We don't have a constitution, so my logic is impeccable
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cokey wrote:
Bones McCracker wrote:
cokey wrote:
A constitution should be about inalienable rights not guns and alcohol. It should be about free speech, freedom of religion, right to congregate etc. It becomes worthless when you put worthless things in it. If you can argue it then it shouldn't be in there.

By your logic, since your countrymen fought three bloody civil wars to establish the constitutional right of the people to withhold consent to the monarch's rule (civil wars which, I think we can all agree, more than qualify as "arguing"), your so-called Constitution is completely invalid. Again, by your logic.
We don't have a constitution
we do but it is bounding what the crown can do and what parliament can do.... Our bill of right was repealed when we joined the EEC (as we became bound by the common one), A bill of rights is expected to be one of the 1st bills to pass through parliament after march 2019.

The US Constitution took influence from many sources... Magna carter was one, UK bill of rights was another
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