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levente
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:43 pm    Post subject: Everythings blocking everything Reply with quote

Hey, I was trying to install Steam on my PC, and when I tried to refresh @world
It came up with a ton of blocks

https://hastebin.com/evohetixux.coffeescript

What do I do here?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem is that xorg-proto-2018.4 requires newer versions of many of its dependencies.

Try --deep with your emerge, but you likely will need to upgrade even more stuff.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ran into that similar appearing issue this morning doing world updates on one or two of my gentoo builds.

I just unmerged all the blockers using emerge -C <foo> then resumed world updates with emerge -uDN world

Note i always have

Code:
FEATURES="-preserve-libs"
EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--with-bdeps y --complete-graph y"


set globally in make.conf to force full graph dependency rebuilds and dependency calculations. I've found for several years this has greatly reduced orphaned software packages and maintained overall superior system consistency.

The above options could improve how any gentoo install checks for inconsistency issues and calculates dependencies but your results may vary or differ from my own not using the enforced portage defaults i maintain with great success.

I find preserved-rebuild portage feature to be anti proactive and ineffective at handling broken dependencies from library upgrades or succeeding at removing orphaned libraries with packages that installed them.

-preserved-libs effectively forces package rebuilds for any lib consumer that would be broken by a package update.

Despite my approach to portage default enforcement I believe i still had to unmerge several of those xorg dependencies on at least one of my gentoo installs to proceed with the updates.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eccerr0r wrote:
The problem is that xorg-proto-2018.4 requires newer versions of many of its dependencies.

Try --deep with your emerge, but you likely will need to upgrade even more stuff.


--deep would fix most of the blocks, but if I want to upgrade those which are blocking one by one, emerge still tries to update all of the proto packages
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Packages have dependencies. Without those dependencies installed, the package won't work right. So, yes, updating one thing can trigger a cascade of updates, which must be installed before the package you care about. This is right & proper.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Updating all of my stuff fixed my problem, thanks!

But now it broke a few other packages :/, guess I will be spending some time repairing them
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ali3nx wrote:
I ran into that similar appearing issue this morning doing world updates on one or two of my gentoo builds.

I just unmerged all the blockers using emerge -C <foo> then resumed world updates with emerge -uDN world


In general, 'emerge -C <foo>' is discouraged for all but "is hard blocking" as there is usually a reason why there is a blocker.
Repair by removal is rarely the right answer.

ali3nx wrote:

Note i always have

Code:
FEATURES="-preserve-libs"
EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--with-bdeps y --complete-graph y"


set globally in make.conf to force full graph dependency rebuilds and dependency calculations. I've found for several years this has greatly reduced orphaned software packages and maintained overall superior system consistency.

The above options could improve how any gentoo install checks for inconsistency issues and calculates dependencies but your results may vary or differ from my own not using the enforced portage defaults i maintain with great success.

I find preserved-rebuild portage feature to be anti proactive and ineffective at handling broken dependencies from library upgrades or succeeding at removing orphaned libraries with packages that installed them.

-preserved-libs effectively forces package rebuilds for any lib consumer that would be broken by a package update.

Despite my approach to portage default enforcement I believe i still had to unmerge several of those xorg dependencies on at least one of my gentoo installs to proceed with the updates.


As for your options, "--with-bdeps y" has been the default for several months now.
"--complete-graph" may or may not solve anything.

I disagree that preserve-libs is useless.
For those builds that do not yet automatically rebuild, it helps users transition their binaries on system libraries to newer APIs/ABIs.

This is somewhat offset by subslot operators, but still exists.
Turning it off will break binaries until a user discovers that something is not working and has to question why.
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