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audiodef,
Run alsamixer in the console and post the mixer settings between code tags.
Which input are you using?
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audiodef,
Something like ...
| Code: | ┌───────────────────────────────────────── AlsaMixer v1.1.5 ──────────────────────────────────────────┐
│ Card: HDA ATI SB F1: Help │
│ Chip: VIA VT1708S F2: System information │
│ View: F3:[Playback] F4: Capture F5: All F6: Select sound card │
│ Item: Master [dB gain: -3.00] Esc: Exit │
│ │
│ ┌──┐ ┌──┐ ┌──┐ ┌──┐ ┌──┐ ┌──┐ ┌──┐ ┌──┐ ┌──┐ ┌──┐ │
│ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │
│ │▒▒│ │ │ │▒▒│ │ │ │ │ │▒▒│ │ │ │ │ │▒▒│ │ │ │
│ │▒▒│ │ │ │▒▒│ │ │ │ │ │▒▒│ │ │ │ │ │▒▒│ │ │ →
│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ │ │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ │▒▒│ │ │ →
│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ │ │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ │▒▒│ │ │ →
│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ │ │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ │▒▒│ │ │ →
│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ │ │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ │▒▒│ │ │ →
│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ │ │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ │▒▒│ │ │ →
│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ │ │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ →
│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ │ │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ │
│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ │ │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ │
│ ├──┤ ┌──┐ └──┘ ├──┤ ├──┤ └──┘ ├──┤ ├──┤ ├──┤ ├──┤ ├──┤ │
│ │OO│ │OO│ │OO│ │MM│ │OO│ │OO│ │OO│ │OO│ │MM│ │
│ └──┘ └──┘ └──┘ └──┘ └──┘ └──┘ └──┘ └──┘ └──┘ │
│ 88 75<>75 94<>94 0<>0 0<>0 88<>88 73 27 94<>94 0<>0 │
│< Master >Headphon PCM Front Front Mi Front Mi Surround Center LFE Side Line │
└─────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ |
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Ah, should have known better - I *have* copied ASCII and ncurses before, sorry...
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─────────────────────────────────── AlsaMixer v1.1.5 ────────────────────────────────────┐
│ Card: HDA Intel PCH F1: Help │
│ Chip: Realtek ALC233 F2: System information │
│ View: F3:[Playback] F4: Capture F5: All F6: Select sound card │
│ Item: Master [dB gain: 0.00] Esc: Exit │
│ │
│ │
│ │
│ │
│ │
│ │
│ ┌──┐ ┌──┐ ┌──┐ ┌──┐ ┌──┐ ┌──┐ │
│ │▒▒│ │ │ │▒▒│ │ │ │ │ │▒▒│ │
│ │▒▒│ │ │ │▒▒│ │ │ │ │ │▒▒│ │
│ │▒▒│ │ │ │▒▒│ │ │ │ │ │▒▒│ │
│ │▒▒│ │ │ │▒▒│ │ │ │ │ │▒▒│ │
│ │▒▒│ │ │ │▒▒│ │ │ │ │ │▒▒│ →
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│ ├──┤ ├──┤ ├──┤ ├──┤ └──┘ ┌──┐ ┌──┐ ┌──┐ ├──┤ │
│ │OO│ │OO│ │OO│ │MM│ │OO│ │OO│ │OO│ │MM│ │
│ └──┘ └──┘ └──┘ └──┘ └──┘ └──┘ └──┘ └──┘ │
│ 100 0<>0 100<>100 0<>0 0<>0 100<>100 │
│ < Master >Headphon Speaker Mic Mic Boos S/PDIF S/PDIF 1 S/PDIF 2 Beep │
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I'm now noticing that it's *some* things that are quiet. Audacious seems okay. Bristol synths, super quiet. Might be specific to that package.
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I have this problem also. Haven't been bothered to look into it yet because it isn't completely broken. 
| Jaglover wrote: | | See these arrows on the right? Means there is more than fits the window. |
My laptop is almost the same.
| Code: | ┌────────────────────────────── AlsaMixer v1.1.5 ──────────────────────────────┐
│ Card: HDA Intel PCH F1: Help │
│ Chip: Realtek ALC295 F2: System information │
│ View: F3:[Playback] F4: Capture F5: All F6: Select sound card │
│ Item: Mute-LED Mode [Off] Esc: Exit │
│ │
│ ┌──┐ │
│ │ │ │
│ │ │ │
← │ │ │
← │ │ │
← │ │ │
← │ │ │
← │ │ │
← │ │ │
← │ │ │
│ │ │ │
│ │ │ │
│ ┌──┐ ┌──┐ ┌──┐ ┌──┐ ┌──┐ Disabled └──┘ Off │
│ │OO│ │OO│ │OO│ │OO│ │OO│ │
│ └──┘ └──┘ └──┘ └──┘ └──┘ │
│ 0<>0 │
│ S/PDIF S/PDIF 1 S/PDIF 2 S/PDIF 3 S/PDIF 4 Auto-Mut Internal<Mute-LED> │
└──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ |
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Finishing my alsamixer copy:
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┌─────────────────────────────── AlsaMixer v1.1.5 ────────────────────────────────┐
│ Card: HDA Intel PCH F1: Help │
│ Chip: Realtek ALC233 F2: System information │
│ View: F3:[Playback] F4: Capture F5: All F6: Select sound card │
│ Item: Master [dB gain: 0.00] Esc: Exit │
│ │
│ │
│ │
│ │
│ │
│ │
│ ┌──┐ ┌──┐ ┌──┐ ┌──┐ ┌──┐ ┌──┐ │
│ │▒▒│ │ │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ │ │ │
│ │▒▒│ │ │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ │ │ │
│ │▒▒│ │ │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ │ │ │
│ │▒▒│ │ │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ │ │ │
│ │▒▒│ │ │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ │ │ →
│ │▒▒│ │ │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ │ │ →
│ │▒▒│ │ │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ │ │ →
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│ │▒▒│ │ │ │▒▒│ │▒▒│ │ │ │ │ │
│ ├──┤ ├──┤ ├──┤ └──┘ ├──┤ └──┘ ┌──┐ ┌──┐ │
│ │OO│ │OO│ │OO│ │MM│ │OO│ │OO│ │
│ └──┘ └──┘ └──┘ └──┘ └──┘ └──┘ │
│ 100 0<>0 100<>100 100<>100 0<>0 0<>0 │
│ < Master >Headphon Speaker PCM Mic Mic Boos S/PDIF S/PDIF 1 │
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┌─────────────────────────────── AlsaMixer v1.1.5 ────────────────────────────────┐
│ Card: HDA Intel PCH F1: Help │
│ Chip: Realtek ALC233 F2: System information │
│ View: F3:[Playback] F4: Capture F5: All F6: Select sound card │
│ Item: Loopback Mixing [Disabled] Esc: Exit │
│ │
│ │
│ │
│ │
│ │
│ │
│ ┌──┐ ┌──┐ │
│ │▒▒│ │ │ │
│ │▒▒│ │ │ │
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│ ┌──┐ ┌──┐ ┌──┐ ┌──┐ ├──┤ Disabled └──┘ Disabled │
│ │OO│ │OO│ │OO│ │OO│ │MM│ │
│ └──┘ └──┘ └──┘ └──┘ └──┘ │
│ 100<>100 0<>0 │
│ S/PDIF 1 S/PDIF 2 S/PDIF 3 S/PDIF 4 Beep Auto-Mut Internal<Loopback> │
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| audiodef wrote: | | Actually, it seems like ALSA is underplaying the hardware capabilities for me. On windows, this laptop can get LOUD. In Gentoo, the loudest it can get is the high end of a comfortable listening level for me. I would like to get ALSA to reach the hardware's potential so that quiet programs are more than barely discernible. |
You are entering the confusing world of ALSA fine tuning now ... maybe there are some module parameters you can pass to the kernel?
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| audiodef wrote: | | Actually, it seems like ALSA is underplaying the hardware capabilities for me. On windows, this laptop can get LOUD. In Gentoo, the loudest it can get is the high end of a comfortable listening level for me. I would like to get ALSA to reach the hardware's potential so that quiet programs are more than barely discernible. |
I don't know your setup, but, in the past, I have seen ms-windows overdrive audio hardware - sometimes to the point of clipping. Found this out while trying to use a laptop as a ready-made signal-generator for some impromptu scientific work. Worked fine on linux, but a co-worker got inconsistent results with - I think it was XP at the time (don't recall exactly).
I've seen more recently that they have "sound profiles" where it seems to do different things based on whether it is headphones, laptop speakers, or whatever. I would not be surprised if they are using some sort of compression algorithm to try to extract the most volume out of tiny speakers, which might explain some of the discrepancy you are hearing.
It still could well be a misconfiguration of ALSA or perhaps a bug in the driver, I don't know. I just wanted to alert that you can't always compare apples-to-apples against windows, because the signal that's coming out is often not the signal you think you're feeding it. Check with an oscilloscope on the headphone jack to be sure.
| audiodef wrote: | | I think the settings are actually okay and it was that one package (bristol) that was putting out low levels, so I'm going to consider it something in the package itself. Other synths, streaming radio plays at normal volumes. Windows is still a bit louder, but meh. |
This sometimes happens when the interface isn't a multiple of 8 bits (like if it is a 14-bit DAC, or perhaps even a better 18bit one), and the application or the driver isn't aligning the bits within the word as expected by the hardware. If the hardware expects the data in the most-significant bits and it isn't supplied there, it will be too soft. If the hardware expects it in the least-significant bits and the driver normalizes it to most-significant, it will sound overdriven and clipped.
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agree with Jaglover, laptop makers do love to pin a chipset strangely
time to pickup an option from the list:
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laptop-amic Laptops with analog-mic input
laptop-dmic Laptops with digital-mic input
alc269-dmic Enable ALC269(VA) digital mic workaround
alc271-dmic Enable ALC271X digital mic workaround
inv-dmic Inverted internal mic workaround
headset-mic Indicates a combined headset (headphone+mic) jack
headset-mode More comprehensive headset support for ALC269 & co
headset-mode-no-hp-mic Headset mode support without headphone mic
lenovo-dock Enables docking station I/O for some Lenovos
hp-gpio-led GPIO LED support on HP laptops
dell-headset-multi Headset jack, which can also be used as mic-in
dell-headset-dock Headset jack (without mic-in), and also dock I/O
alc283-dac-wcaps Fixups for Chromebook with ALC283
alc283-sense-combo Combo jack sensing on ALC283
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I'm vaguely recalling the hardware/MSB/LSB stuff from my undergrad days in an audio tech program. Vaguely, because I never went on to specialize in that area so I didn't apply it much in practice. Cool stuff, though.
Going to look around at customizing ALSA config. In particular, boosting gain. Windows may be overdriving (no clipping noticed here, though) but I think this hardware can go a a bit higher. I think the speakers were designed to handle it.
I read something somewhere about the possibility of not all speakers being used. The laptop I'm using has this for aplay -L | grep CARD:
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surround21:CARD=PCH,DEV=0
HDA Intel PCH, ALC233 Analog
2.1 Surround output to Front and Subwoofer speakers
surround40:CARD=PCH,DEV=0
HDA Intel PCH, ALC233 Analog
4.0 Surround output to Front and Rear speakers
surround41:CARD=PCH,DEV=0
HDA Intel PCH, ALC233 Analog
4.1 Surround output to Front, Rear and Subwoofer speakers
surround50:CARD=PCH,DEV=0
HDA Intel PCH, ALC233 Analog
5.0 Surround output to Front, Center and Rear speakers
surround51:CARD=PCH,DEV=0
HDA Intel PCH, ALC233 Analog
5.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Rear and Subwoofer speakers
surround71:CARD=PCH,DEV=0
HDA Intel PCH, ALC233 Analog
7.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Side, Rear and Woofer speakers
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And other stuff, but I'm wondering if only one pair of speakers is being used while the Realtek Windows driver takes advantage of all speakers, which is why it's "louder."
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