Will there be a gentoo liveDVD-2018?

as.gentoo · Guru Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 319

Hello,

are there plans to provide a new liveDVD? The last one is from mid-2016. A lot of things at Gentoo have changed since then.

Thanks in advance!

chino_ · Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:11 pm Post subject:

What would we need a Gentoo liveDVD for?

Installation can be done with the minimal iso, if you need GUI to read the docs it's easy with SystemRescueCD, which is also based on Gentoo.

There are a lot of liveDVDs out there, each filling a specific niche. I fail to see one where Gentoo would fit. Correct me if I'm wrong, though.

NeddySeagoon · Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:27 pm Post subject:

chino_,

Its a Gentoo test drive. There is a Jan 2017 LiveDVD too. However, its built on a hardened kernel, with the options to disable dev nodes in chroots.
That makes it unsuitable for installing Gentoo.
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NeddySeagoon · Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:13 pm Post subject:

Marcih,

The denying dev nodes in the chroot is a bug.
That particular LiveDVD was created for a handout at FOSDEM 2017.
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Proinsias · Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:41 pm Post subject:

Fitzcarraldo · Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:28 am Post subject:

I sometimes use the latest available Gentoo LiveDVD ISO in a VM on my machines that run other distributions or Windows, in order to check how something is done in Gentoo if I'm not using my laptops running Gentoo at the time. Useful at times.
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MMMMM · Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:06 pm Post subject: Howto Start?

depontius · Advocate Joined: 05 May 2004 Posts: 3509

I usually start with SystemRescueCD. The system I'm using now was done that way several years ago, with UEFI boot. Just a week or two ago I did a highly munged CentOS 7 install in BIOS mode using SystemRescueCD. For what it's worth, SystemRescueCD is Gentoo-based.
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MMMMM · Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:10 pm Post subject:

Ok for now I have installed debian. Can I use that as a starting point? I coud set up partitions etc.
Anything special to know?
Or is SystemRescueCD the best option?

ayeyes · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 03 Dec 2017 Posts: 104

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Installation_alternatives

What I dislike about Systemrescuecd is that it's not possible to gpg verify the image. It has been requested a long time ago in the forums, but the developer has ignored it.

NeddySeagoon · Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:01 am Post subject:

MMMMM,

You can install from Debian. Then you will have a dual boot Debian/Gentoo system.
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ayeyes · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 03 Dec 2017 Posts: 104

When using the minimal cd it's

Hu · Moderator Joined: 06 Mar 2007 Posts: 21628

In most cases, they produce equivalent results. Different authors chose different ways to achieve the end result. The former is probably safer, since it will work even when /proc is not procfs or is the wrong procfs.

ayeyes · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 03 Dec 2017 Posts: 104

Thank you! That's nice to know.

Zucca · Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:25 am Post subject:

Last time I installed Gentoo, I did it using XFCE spin of some Fedora. Earlier I've been using Damn Small Linux (development ceased, I think).
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ayeyes · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 03 Dec 2017 Posts: 104

When installing from another distro, and not a livedvd, and having a swap partition already, does one have to enable the swap partition made for the gentoo install, when installing?

My guess is: No!

NeddySeagoon · Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:33 pm Post subject:

ayeyes,

The distros can share swap an long as you don't want both distros to use it at the same time.
When you boot the already installed distro, it will activate its swap and the running kernel will use it as required.
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ayeyes · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 03 Dec 2017 Posts: 104

NeddySeagoon, thank you! :-)

Edit: That goes for when installing Gentoo too? It makes use of the swap partition of the host OS? Got 8GB RAM, and 16GB swap for that OS (Arch).

Zucca · Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:53 pm Post subject:

NeddySeagoon · Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:24 pm Post subject:

ayeyes,

When you boot your existing install, the startup will activate swap.
Its the running kernel that determines when to use swap, not any applications you might be running in a chroot to install Gentoo.

If you create a separate swap for Gentoo, you need to take care the each operating system only uses its own swap.
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ayeyes · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 03 Dec 2017 Posts: 104

NeddySeagoon, I see. Thank you! :-)