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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:57 pm    Post subject: Is US Senate supposed to differ from flea market? Reply with quote

Isn't they supposed to act in interest of nation? Then why they are forgetting it and pushing their own political interests? They cannot separate DACA issues from government shutdown. They belong to flea market.
But then again, in democracy the people deserve their government, so everything is OK in this regard.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Is US Senate supposed to differ from flea market? Reply with quote

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Isn't they supposed to act in interest of nation? Then why they are forgetting it and pushing their own political interests?

Have you been under a rock for the last, say, ten thousand years?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So common sense and responsibility are not and cannot be features of a democratically elected government. Thought so.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The democrat party has picked illegal aliens over US citizens, again.

Inexcusable.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shutting down the big lavish government is not necessarily a bad thing. Make it permanent.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Shutting down the big lavish government is not necessarily a bad thing. Make it permanent.


:lol: :lol: :lol:
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The game of chicken ended with a head-on crash.

Republicans are anxious to label this the "Schumer shutdown" and, essentially, they're right. Chuck Schumer and his fellow Democrats (with the help of a few Republicans) blocked a bill that would have kept the government open - at least temporarily.

Determining responsibility and apportioning blame, however, are two decidedly different endeavours.

Democrats will argue that they had a deal with the president on their bipartisan compromise that included immigration reform - only to have him back away during that fateful obscenity-laden Oval Office meeting last week. Republicans will frame this as liberals putting undocumented immigrant protections over military readiness and health insurance for poor kids.

The blame game began at midnight, and the winner has yet to be decided. Generally, the loser in these types of showdowns is the party entering the fight with the lowest popularity - bad news for Mr Trump and the Republicans.

The good news, for both sides, is that their political bases will be thrilled they are playing hardball. Midterm election years, like 2018, tend to encourage this kind of rally-the-base manoeuvres.

Now that the line has been crossed, this could become a protracted, ugly fight.

It would appear that there is no correct side. Why would anyone expect Democrats to vote for it if Trump has gone back on his promises?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It would appear that there is no correct side. Why would anyone expect Democrats to vote for it if Trump has gone back on his promises?

There is no proof that happened. The White House claims that Schumer reneged and demanded even more concessions. The only thing that we know for a fact is that the Democrats are willing to shut down the government over a bunch of people that should not even be here.

#SchumerShutdown
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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cokey wrote:
It would appear that there is no correct side. Why would anyone expect Democrats to vote for it if Trump has gone back on his promises?

There is no proof that happened. The White House claims that Schumer reneged and demanded even more concessions. The only thing that we know for a fact is that the Democrats are willing to shut down the government over a bunch of people that should not even be here.

#SchumerShutdown
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Part of congressional negotiators’ problem has been uncertainty over what Trump would accept.

“He’s not yet indicated what measure he’s willing to sign,” the Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell, told reporters on Wednesday. “As soon as we figure out what he is for, then I will be convinced that we would not just be spinning our wheels going to this issue on the floor.”

Trump ended the legal shields on Dreamers last year and gave Congress until March to renew them.

Last week, he rejected a compromise by three Democratic and three Republican senators to restore those protections, a deal that included money to begin building the wall and other security steps. Trump’s rejection angered the bargainers, and partisan feelings worsened after participants in a White House meeting last week said Trump had referred to African nations as “shitholes”.
It appears that you are angry at the wrong people
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cokey wrote:
Old School wrote:
cokey wrote:
It would appear that there is no correct side. Why would anyone expect Democrats to vote for it if Trump has gone back on his promises?

There is no proof that happened. The White House claims that Schumer reneged and demanded even more concessions. The only thing that we know for a fact is that the Democrats are willing to shut down the government over a bunch of people that should not even be here.

#SchumerShutdown
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Part of congressional negotiators’ problem has been uncertainty over what Trump would accept.

“He’s not yet indicated what measure he’s willing to sign,” the Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell, told reporters on Wednesday. “As soon as we figure out what he is for, then I will be convinced that we would not just be spinning our wheels going to this issue on the floor.”

Trump ended the legal shields on Dreamers last year and gave Congress until March to renew them.

Last week, he rejected a compromise by three Democratic and three Republican senators to restore those protections, a deal that included money to begin building the wall and other security steps. Trump’s rejection angered the bargainers, and partisan feelings worsened after participants in a White House meeting last week said Trump had referred to African nations as “shitholes”.
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Source? Oh. Anonymous sources. Yeah, right. Mitch McConnell is a hack that is subject to his money masters. He is just deflecting attention from the fact that he is an ineffectual Senate Leader. It's not up to Trump to tell him how to write legislation.

Shithole countries lol.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cokey wrote:
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So everything is about Trump. Sheds a new light on your Merkel fetish.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

White House director of Legislative Affairs Marc Short and White House Budget Director Mick Mulvaney appeared baffled by the Democrats’ decision to shut down the government, asserting that there was nothing in the current funding resolution that Democrats actually opposed. Mulvaney compared Senate Democrats to toddlers having a temper tantrum.

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It is like a two-year-old temper tantrum to say, ‘I will take my toys and go home because I am upset about something else,’ It has nothing to do with this bill, and the Democrats are conducting a two-year-old temper tantrum in front of the American people.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jaglover wrote:
So common sense and responsibility are not and cannot be features of a democratically elected government. Thought so.

They can be features, but they are difficult to maintain. People tend to vote for representatives who will give them what they want, not representatives who will do what is best for the country in the long term. So as you say, we get the government we deserve.

Also, a large portion of politics is about elevating the status of some groups, and devaluing the status of other groups. That doesn't tend to make for good governance. Right Muso?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

richk449 wrote:
Also, a large portion of politics is about elevating the status of some groups, and devaluing the status of other groups. That doesn't tend to make for good governance. Right Muso?


All adult citizens, treated equally. Full stop.

And government should only be for the benefit of the citizens.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Muso wrote:
richk449 wrote:
Also, a large portion of politics is about elevating the status of some groups, and devaluing the status of other groups. That doesn't tend to make for good governance. Right Muso?


All adult citizens, treated equally. Full stop.

And government should only be for the benefit of the citizens.


The US has many people who entered illegally as children. They came as dependants of their parents and probably had no choice in the matter. For some, the US is the only country they know. I don't know what the answer is, but kicking these people out seems unusually cruel.

But your planet sounds great, where everything is black and white and there are no shades of grey.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

juniper wrote:
But your planet sounds great, where everything is black and white and there are no shades of grey.


Yeah, it's called "having lived in Japan and seen how it's done right".

Japan has zero tolerance for this type of BS.
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