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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:57 pm    Post subject: Unread news items Reply with quote

In lurking frequently here at the forums, I have noticed that the emerge command output posted by users reporting a problem often shows they have unread news items. Sometimes, one of those news items addresses the problem they're reporting.

In my weekly system update today, I almost missed reading the news item with instructions for migrating to the ver. 17 profiles because the emerge command output pushed the unread news notification off the top of the terminal window.

Maybe fewer users would miss reading those if the unread news notification was at the end of the output instead of the beginning.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Unread news items Reply with quote

Section_8 wrote:
Maybe fewer users would miss reading those if the unread news notification was at the end of the output instead of the beginning.

I don't think that is the real problem, in most of cases users post in the forum also the output that there are new news to read. Simply the users ignore them.

Examples:
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1072148-highlight-items+reading.html
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1072036-highlight-items+reading.html
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1072748-highlight-items+reading.html
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1068794-highlight-items+reading.html
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It shouldn't be too hard to understand that people often don't understand what they are seeing, if they even notice, which shouldn't be assumed. Developers (bless their hearts) often do not appreciate the low-level of knowledge of their ordinary users.

For example, yesterday's news item about profile change:2017-11-30-new-17-profiles

The news item is all about running a hardened setup with PIE enabled. BUT, the core of this news item should really about changing profile because all users will need to do that. Yet, there is no actionable instruction on how to change to a new profile for those who only need to do that. Users don't do this very often. Don't assume they remember how to do this.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure what happened, but for me "eselect news" became effectively non-functional some time back. It's my fault that I haven't tried to figure out what's wrong and fix it, I guess. There are always things in the real world to do instead of further care and feeding of my computer.
Code:
$ eselect news list
News items:
  [1]      2009-04-18  (2009-04-18-java-config-wrapper-0.16 - removed?)
  [2]      2012-05-21  (2012-05-21-portage-config-protect-if-modified - removed?)
  [3]      2012-11-06  (2012-11-06-PYTHON_TARGETS-deployment - removed?)
  [4]      2013-06-07  (2013-06-07-portage-preserve-libs-default - removed?)
  [5]      2013-08-23  (2013-08-23-emerge-language - removed?)
  [6]      2013-09-27  (2013-09-27-initramfs-required - removed?)
  [7]      2013-11-23  (2013-11-23-gnome-38 - removed?)
  [8]      2014-03-16  (2014-03-16-ruby-1.8-removal - removed?)
  [9]      2014-06-15  (2014-06-15-gcc48_ssp - removed?)
  [10]     2014-10-22  (2014-10-22-mythtv-schedulesdirect-change - removed?)
  [11]     2014-10-26  (2014-10-26-gcc_4_7_introduced_new_c++11_abi - removed?)
  [12]     2014-11-07  (2014-11-07-udev-upgrade - removed?)
  [13]     2015-01-28  (2015-01-28-cpu_flags_x86-introduction - removed?)
  [14]     2015-02-01  (2015-02-01-use-libav - removed?)
  [15]     2015-02-02  (2015-02-02-nfs-service-changes - removed?)
  [16]     2015-02-04  (2015-02-04-portage-sync-changes - removed?)
  [17]     2015-03-28  (2015-03-28-true-multilib - removed?)
  [18]     2015-04-16  (2015-04-16-ffmpeg-default - removed?)
  [19]     2015-06-08  (2015-06-08-udev-init-scripts-changes - removed?)
  [20]     2015-07-25  (2015-07-25-python-targets - removed?)
  [21]     2015-07-28  (2015-07-28-mysql-packaging-changes - removed?)

I can't read any of these items, because they no longer exist. Plus even when I try, it doesn't take them off of this list. I suppose I should start scratching on this one.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eselect news read all will show you all available news items and probably also take them off of your list.

eselect news read new will show you just the unread ones.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

figueroa wrote:
The news item is all about running a hardened setup with PIE enabled. BUT, the core of this news item should really about changing profile because all users will need to do that. Yet, there is no actionable instruction on how to change to a new profile for those who only need to do that. Users don't do this very often. Don't assume they remember how to do this.

If they don't do it, there is no immediate harm. 13.0 profile will continue to exist for some time. When it is being removed, there will be a news item, and it certainly will show you how to switch.

Everyone can learn how to switch a profile though using the wonders of a search engine and our wonderful Gentoo Wiki.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

figueroa,

Its quite safe to try this at home. Your Gentoo install will not be harmed
Code:
$ sudo touch /etc/portage/make.profile/deprecated
$ emerge -uDUav @world

!!! Your current profile is deprecated and not supported anymore.
!!! Use eselect profile to update your profile.
!!! Please refer to the Gentoo Upgrading Guide.


The scary message will go away with your next --sync or you can remove the deprecated file yourself.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

figueroa wrote:
eselect news read all will show you all available news items and probably also take them off of your list.

eselect news read new will show you just the unread ones.


Nope. "eselect news read all" gives me 19 messages about the news item no longer existing. After that, "eselect news list" shows the same 19 news items, note that the newest one is from 2015. Plus
Code:
eselect news read new
No news is good news.


I suspect if I just delete a dotfile somewhere, this will fix itself and start over.

Well, "equery eselect" got me to "man 5 eselect.news". So I've done "eselect news purge", and everything is wiped. I've lost all existing news, but hopefully the hairball in the configuration is gone, and I'll start getting news again. I tried "equery files eselect" and found "/var/lib/gentoo/news", with the file "news-gentoo.skip" that contains the 19 items I've been seeing. A moment with google and I've also found this page: "https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/". So at least I can look at news and keep an eye on it, to see if my eselect news feed starts working again.
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