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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:54 pm    Post subject: Everyone prepared for the post neutral internet? Reply with quote

I'm particularly curious about the thoughts of the streaming addicts.

Various companies have throttled user bandwidth, but earlier this year Verizon Wireless did it to Netflix and Youtube.

I'm wondering if peak usage times will lead to dynamic pricing for bandwidth. Some people want to see the internet treated as a utility, and like other utilities, the costs can vary. Electricity in summers, natural gas in winters, etc.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's just going back to the way it was before Obama put the lolgov's hands all over it.

Since we've had it, the mass banning of conservatives and libertarians has been happening on social media. I'm looking forward to their pet law being disbanded.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be prepared to pay for different ISP rates.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We should undo the Obama administration’s rules that regulate the web like a 1930s utility.

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As millions flocked to the web for the first time in the 1990s, President Clinton and a Republican Congress decided “to preserve the vibrant and competitive free market that presently exists for the Internet.” In the Telecommunications Act of 1996, the government called for an internet “unfettered by Federal or State regulation.” The result of that fateful decision was the greatest free-market success story in history.

Encouraged by light-touch regulation, private companies invested over $1.5 trillion in nearly two decades to build out American communications networks. Without having to ask anyone’s permission, innovators everywhere used the internet’s open platform to start companies that have transformed how billions of people live and work.

But that changed in 2014. Just days after a poor midterm election result, President Obama publicly pressured the Federal Communications Commission to reject the longstanding consensus on a market-based approach to the internet. He instead urged the agency to impose upon internet service providers a creaky regulatory framework called “Title II,” which was designed in the 1930s to tame the Ma Bell telephone monopoly. A few months later, the FCC followed President Obama’s instructions on a party-line vote. I voted “no,” but the agency’s majority chose micromanagement over markets.


Glad it's being killed.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Since we've had it, the mass banning of conservatives and libertarians has been happening on social media. I'm looking forward to their pet law being disbanded.
How did net neutrality lead to social media bans?

I'm just hoping it hurts Netflix given their debt problem. Maybe Amazon would pick up the carcass.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Since we've had it, the mass banning of conservatives and libertarians has been happening on social media.

Whatever gave you the notion that that problem has anything at all to do with net neutrality? Twitter and the like have been doing that as a part of new usage policy items because they're capitulating to an extremely vocal minority of their perpetually offended users.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As millions flocked to the web for the first time in the 1990s, President Clinton and a Republican Congress decided “to preserve the vibrant and competitive free market that presently exists for the Internet.” In the Telecommunications Act of 1996, the government called for an internet “unfettered by Federal or State regulation.” The result of that fateful decision was the greatest free-market success story in history.

Encouraged by light-touch regulation, private companies invested over $1.5 trillion in nearly two decades to build out American communications networks. Without having to ask anyone’s permission, innovators everywhere used the internet’s open platform to start companies that have transformed how billions of people live and work.

But that changed in 2014. Just days after a poor midterm election result, President Obama publicly pressured the Federal Communications Commission to reject the longstanding consensus on a market-based approach to the internet. He instead urged the agency to impose upon internet service providers a creaky regulatory framework called “Title II,” which was designed in the 1930s to tame the Ma Bell telephone monopoly. A few months later, the FCC followed President Obama’s instructions on a party-line vote. I voted “no,” but the agency’s majority chose micromanagement over markets.

Except there's zero competition worth speaking of in the ISP market. There's not been a great amount ISP competition since the start of broadband rollouts, and it's all but gone now. You can have no competition or free markets as long as regulators allow an entire industry to be run as a massive de facto legal cartel. And as long as there's a cartel in place implementing regional monopolies, we need net neutrality to kerb abuses of that monopoly power. There's a heap of steps that's needed to bring competition into the ISP market before net neutrality isn't needed anymore, starting with invalidating exclusivity agreements between municipalities and ISPs, and local and state laws that make starting an ISP all but impossible for companies and municipalities.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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... content providers might end up subsidizing higher-speed access to their services for subscribers who’ve only paid for slower all-purpose Internet access.

How naive is that. Netflix is going to pay subsidizes. Yeah right, they will pass it right back to subscribers.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aidanjt wrote:
Muso wrote:
Since we've had it, the mass banning of conservatives and libertarians has been happening on social media.

Whatever gave you the notion that that problem has anything at all to do with net neutrality? Twitter and the like have been doing that as a part of new usage policy items because they're capitulating to an extremely vocal minority of their perpetually offended users.


That is the only change to the net I've seen post lolgov manhandling (aka "Net neutrality"). There was no problem, and lolgov simply created FUD to sway opinions so it could get more control.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, lets assume ISP's charge Netflix for giving them more bandwidth. So what happens then? Netflix will add this to subscriptions (and so will other streaming services). Technically this should mean the internet users who do not use Netflix will get cheaper internet. Why don't I believe this. :roll:
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ISP will not charge Netflix, they will charge you. There will be two tiers of internet service, one for browsing text, one for streaming media/downloads.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In either way it sucks. If there was one single thing Obama did right then this was the one.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That is the only change to the net I've seen post lolgov manhandling (aka "Net neutrality").

That's the whole idea of net neutrality, pumping the brakes on ISP ambitions to create a tiered internet. You know it works when you don't see any further degradation of internet service provision.

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There was no problem, and lolgov simply created FUD to sway opinions so it could get more control.

ORLY?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ISP will not charge Netflix, they will charge you. There will be two tiers of internet service, one for browsing text, one for streaming media/downloads.
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Physical media is dead. Long live physical media!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, what tier I have to buy so my nightly cronjob can sync Gentoo portage.

Below some examples from ajdanjt's link. The trouble is there is no real free market for internet. Most regions have no choice at all.

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2005 - Madison River Communications was blocking VOIP services. The FCC put a stop to it.

2005 - Comcast was denying access to p2p services without notifying customers.

2007-2009 - AT&T was having Skype and other VOIPs blocked because they didn't like there was competition for their cellphones. 2011 - MetroPCS tried to block all streaming except youtube. (edit: they actually sued the FCC over this)

2011-2013, AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon were blocking access to Google Wallet because it competed with their bullshit. edit: this one happened literally months after the trio were busted collaborating with Google to block apps from the android marketplace

2012, Verizon was demanding google block tethering apps on android because it let owners avoid their $20 tethering fee. This was despite guaranteeing they wouldn't do that as part of a winning bid on an airwaves auction. (edit: they were fined $1.25million over this)

2012, AT&T - tried to block access to FaceTime unless customers paid more money.

2013, Verizon literally stated that the only thing stopping them from favoring some content providers over other providers were the net neutrality rules in place.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/29/15100620/congress-fcc-isp-web-browsing-privacy-fire-sale

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Muso just prefers the usenet to the internet.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dr.Willy wrote:
Muso just prefers the usenet to the internet.


He wont once his ISP are free to throttle the shit out of usenet connections.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Free market price for a Republican varies widely, YMMV:

The 265 members of Congress who sold you out to ISPs, and how much it cost to buy them
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Democrats sold us out to the content providers #Obamawhore.
Now Republicans have undone that, giving advantage back to carriers.
Answer is neither of these. We need law that facilitates competition and drives efficiency.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The solution is simple. My library card is still valid and I have a nice blue box in which to do some reading.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This isn't the tiered pricing structure you're looking for.

You can go about your business.

Move along.

Comcast hints at plan for paid fast lanes after net neutrality repeal
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While the company still says it won't block or throttle Internet content, it has dropped its promise about not instituting paid prioritization.

Instead, Comcast now vaguely says that it won't "discriminate against lawful content" or impose "anti-competitive paid prioritization." The change in wording suggests that Comcast may offer paid fast lanes to websites or other online services, such as video streaming providers
It is an exercise for the reader to distinguish meaningful differentiation between the forked-tongue-speak of "won't block or throttle" and "anti-competitive paid prioritization."

Putting this here mainly as a reference for after the balkanization of the net.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Infamous man convicted for simple arithmetic explains what complete and utter garbage "net neutrality" truly is.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, paying for the same internet rate is complete garbage.
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