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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:17 am    Post subject: Doomsday and Mars Reply with quote

So. Why spend money on trying to get to Mars when we could just spend it on avoiding doomsday, or surviving it?

Elon Musk Reveals the Main Reason He's Trying to Make as Much Money as Possible
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The big problem in getting people to Mars now? Exorbitant costs of about $10 billion per person, if we were to use traditional "Appolo-style" approaches. Musk wants that number to go down by 5 million percent. If the number is closer to $200,000 per person (a median house price in the U.S.), Mars colonization would become a reality. Musk sees this number dropping even lower eventually, to below $100,000 per person.


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"I should also add that the main reason I am personally accumulating assets is in order to fund this. I really do not have any other motivation for personally accumulating assets except to be able to make the biggest contribution I can to making life multi-planetary," writes Musk.

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In January 2013, he spent $17 million on a 20,248-square-foot mansion in Los Angeles' Bel Air neighborhood.
I really don't care how much he accumulates, I just thought it somewhat amusing.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the real reason is a 3 letter word, Ego.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh I don't know. If I ever win the lottery, I'm financing a group of scholars to "remaster" these New Testament texts into Lojban:

1. Textus Receptus
2. Majority Text
3. Critical Text (NA-28)

And once all of that irrational, highly context-specific Koine Greek has been resolved into concise Lojban, being a scholar of the New Testament will be much, much easier.

It's all about what you want to see happen. Probably 5% of Christians at the absolute most would care about this, but I would shell out the money (if I had it) and feel good about it.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wswartzendruber wrote:
Oh I don't know. If I ever win the lottery, I'm financing a group of scholars to "remaster" these New Testament texts into Lojban:

1. Textus Receptus
2. Majority Text
3. Critical Text (NA-28)

And once all of that irrational, highly context-specific Koine Greek has been resolved into concise Lojban, being a scholar of the New Testament will be much, much easier.

It's all about what you want to see happen. Probably 5% of Christians at the absolute most would care about this, but I would shell out the money (if I had it) and feel good about it.


Whatever happened to the good old fashioned "hookers and blow"?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wswartzendruber wrote:
Oh I don't know. If I ever win the lottery, I'm financing a group of scholars to "remaster" these New Testament texts into Lojban:

1. Textus Receptus
2. Majority Text
3. Critical Text (NA-28)

And once all of that irrational, highly context-specific Koine Greek has been resolved into concise Lojban, being a scholar of the New Testament will be much, much easier


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“Do you remember when you read us the sixteen verses of the fourth chapter of Genesis and we argued about them?”
“I do indeed. And that’s a long time ago.”

“Ten years nearly,” said Lee. “Well, the story bit deeply into me and I went into it word for word. The more I thought about the story, the more profound it became to me. Then I compared the translations we have—and they were fairly close. There was only one place that bothered me. The King James version says this—it is when Jehovah has asked Cain why he is angry. Jehovah says, ‘If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.’ It was the ‘thou shalt’ that struck me, because it was a promise that Cain would conquer sin.”

Samuel nodded. “And his children didn’t do it entirely,” he said.

Lee sipped his coffee. “Then I got a copy of the American Standard Bible. It was very new then. And it was different in this passage. It says, ‘Do thou rule over him.’ Now this is very different. This is not a promise, it is an order. And I began to stew about it. I wondered what the original word of the original writer had been that these very different translations could be made.”

Samuel put his palms down on the table and leaned forward and the old young light came into his eyes. “Lee,” he said, “don’t tell me you studied Hebrew!”

Lee said, “I’m going to tell you. And it’s a fairly long story. Will you have a touch of ng-ka-py?”

“You mean the drink that tastes of good rotten apples?”

“Yes. I can talk better with it.”

“Maybe I can listen better,” said Samuel.

While Lee went to the kitchen Samuel asked, “Adam, did you know about this?”

“No,” said Adam. “He didn’t tell me. Maybe I wasn’t listening.”

Lee came back with his stone bottle and three little porcelain cups so thin and delicate that the light shone through them. “Dlinkee Chinee fashion,” he said and poured the almost black liquor. “There’s a lot of wormwood in this. It’s quite a drink,” he said. “Has about the same effect as absinthe if you drink enough of it.”

Samuel sipped the drink. “I want to know why you were so interested,” he said.

“Well, it seemed to me that the man who could conceive this great story would know exactly what he wanted to say and there would be no confusion in his statement.”

“You say ‘the man.’ Do you then not think this is a divine book written by the inky finger of God?”

“I think the mind that could think this story was a curiously divine mind. We have had a few such minds in China too.”

“I just wanted to know,” said Samuel. “You’re not a Presbyterian after all.”

“I told you I was getting more Chinese. Well, to go on, I went to San Francisco to the headquarters of our family association. Do you know about them? Our great families have centers where any member can get help or give it. The Lee family is very large. It takes care of its own.”

“I have heard of them,” said Samuel.

“You mean Chinee hatchet man fightee Tong war over slave girl?”

“I guess so.”

“It’s a little different from that, really,” said Lee. “I went there because in our family there are a number of ancient reverend gentlemen who are great scholars. They are thinkers in exactness. A man may spend many years pondering a sentence of the scholar you call Confucius. I thought there might be experts in meaning who could advise me.

“They are fine old men. They smoke their two pipes of opium in the afternoon and it rests and sharpens them, and they sit through the night and their minds are wonderful. I guess no other people have been able to use opium well.”

Lee dampened his tongue in the black brew. “I respectfully submitted my problem to one of these sages, read him the story, and told him what I understood from it. The next night four of them met and called me in. We discussed the story all night long.”

Lee laughed. “I guess it’s funny,” he said. “I know I wouldn’t dare tell it to many people. Can you imagine four old gentlemen, the youngest is over ninety now, taking on the study of Hebrew? They engaged a learned rabbi. They took to the study as though they were children. Exercise books, grammar, vocabulary, simple sentences. You should see Hebrew written in Chinese ink with a brush! The right to left didn’t bother them as much as it would you, since we write up to down. Oh, they were perfectionists! They went to the root of the matter.”

“And you?” said Samuel.

“I went along with them, marveling at the beauty of their proud clean brains. I began to love my race, and for the first time I wanted to be Chinese. Every two weeks I went to a meeting with them, and in my room here I covered pages with writing. I bought every known Hebrew dictionary. But the old gentlemen were always ahead of me. It wasn’t long before they were ahead of our rabbi; he brought a colleague in. Mr. Hamilton, you should have sat through some of those nights of argument and discussion. The questions, the inspection, oh, the lovely thinking—the beautiful thinking.

“After two years we felt that we could approach your sixteen verses of the fourth chapter of Genesis. My old gentlemen felt that these words were very important too—‘Thou shalt’ and ‘Do thou.’ And this was the gold from our mining: ‘Thou mayest.’ ‘Thou mayest rule over sin.’ The old gentlemen smiled and nodded and felt the years were well spent. It brought them out of their Chinese shells too, and right now they are studying Greek.”

Samuel said, “It’s a fantastic story. And I’ve tried to follow and maybe I’ve missed somewhere. Why is this word so important?”

Lee’s hand shook as he filled the delicate cups. He drank his down in one gulp. “Don’t you see?” he cried. “The American Standard translation orders men to triumph over sin, and you can call sin ignorance. The King James translation makes a promise in ‘Thou shalt,’ meaning that men will surely triumph over sin. But the Hebrew word, the word timshel—‘Thou mayest’— that gives a choice. It might be the most important word in the world. That says the way is open. That throws it right back on a man. For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.’ Don’t you see?”

“Yes, I see. I do see. But you do not believe this is divine law. Why do you feel its importance?”

“Ah!” said Lee. “I’ve wanted to tell you this for a long time. I even anticipated your questions and I am well prepared. Any writing which has influenced the thinking and the lives of innumerable people is important. Now, there are many millions in their sects and churches who feel the order, ‘Do thou,’ and throw their weight into obedience. And there are millions more who feel predestination in ‘Thou shalt.’ Nothing they may do can interfere with what will be. But ‘Thou mayest’! Why, that makes a man great, that gives him stature with the gods, for in his weakness and his filth and his murder of his brother he has still the great choice. He can choose his course and fight it through and win.” Lee’s voice was a chant of triumph.

Adam said, “Do you believe that, Lee?”

“Yes, I do. Yes, I do. It is easy out of laziness, out of weakness, to throw oneself into the lap of deity, saying, ‘I couldn’t help it; the way was set.’ But think of the glory of the choice! That makes a man a man. A cat has no choice, a bee must make honey. There’s no godliness there. And do you know, those old gentlemen who were sliding gently down to death are too interested to die now?”

Adam said, “Do you mean these Chinese men believe the Old Testament?”

Lee said, “These old men believe a true story, and they know a true story when they hear it. They are critics of truth. They know that these sixteen verses are a history of humankind in any age or culture or race. They do not believe a man writes fifteen and three-quarter verses of truth and tells a lie with one verb. Confucius tells men how they should live to have good and successful lives. But this—this is a ladder to climb to the stars.” Lee’s eyes shone. “You can never lose that. It cuts the feet from under weakness and cowardliness and laziness.”

Adam said, “I don’t see how you could cook and raise the boys and take care of me and still do all this.”

“Neither do I,” said Lee. “But I take my two pipes in the afternoon, no more and no less, like the elders. And I feel that I am a man. And I feel that a man is a very important thing—maybe more important than a star. This is not theology. I have no bent toward gods. But I have a new love for that glittering instrument, the human soul. It is a lovely and unique thing in the universe. It is always attacked and never destroyed— because ‘Thou mayest.’”
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Whatever happened to the good old fashioned "hookers and blow"?

Intellectually unsatisfying.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

richk449 wrote:
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That's barely the tip of the iceberg. Try this on for size:

The word "hell" never once appears in the Bible.

Even the New American Standard Bible, which is widely regarded as being the most accurate English translation in existence...even it makes this mistake. "Gehenna" and "Tartarus" appear in the Bible. But never "hell".

So why is it there? Because "scholars" feel the need to think for us. They superimpose ideology and preconceived notions onto academic work. This is fundamentally unacceptable.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wswartzendruber wrote:
richk449 wrote:
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That's barely the tip of the iceberg. Try this on for size:

The word "hell" never once appears in the Bible.

Even the New American Standard Bible, which is widely regarded as being the most accurate English translation in existence...even it makes this mistake. "Gehenna" and "Tartarus" appear in the Bible. But never "hell".

So why is it there? Because "scholars" feel the need to think for us. They superimpose ideology and preconceived notions onto academic work. This is fundamentally unacceptable.

Interesting. I was well aware of the fact that purgatory was made up by the catholic church, but I didn't realize that hell wasn't too different. Thanks for the tip.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dan Simmons beat you to it:

http://www.documentsky.com/4183752677/

crap, it cuts right half way through. Just google it. Sadly some of the links are blocked in Germany. So I can't provide good ones.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

energyman76b wrote:
Dan Simmons beat you to it:

http://www.documentsky.com/4183752677/

crap, it cuts right half way through. Just google it. Sadly some of the links are blocked in Germany. So I can't provide good ones.


What kind of content does the German government block and why haven't I heard of their internet censorship before?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Muso wrote:
I think the real reason is a 3 letter word, Ego.
definitively ego. especially since he is using gov'n subsidies...

That said I am thankful to him to engage the hipsters into buying his electric cars. The surrounding technology is a joke at the moment, I know this is my area... but by pushing this "green" image is facilitating some much needed research into real batteries and power electronics. Think of him like S.Jobs... he packaged an idea at the right time to engage a certain subset of society.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Elon Musk is one of the biggest welfare recipients in the country.

Why Mars? I do not understand why one would want to leave one planet to go to homestead another that is not even habitable without a protective suit. Planets are too unpredictable. They have weather and seismic events. They also have fairly deep gravity wells that make leaving them dangerous and expensive. Man made (sorry LGBTQRSWXYZ+ community) structures in various orbits should be the goal. The asteroid belt would provide all the materials needed. The solar system could then support a human population of trillions, and we could let the planet Earth rejuvenate and we could just shrug it off when most of the planet gets covered again with a mile of ice.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old School wrote:
Elon Musk is one of the biggest welfare recipients in the country.

Why Mars? I do not understand why one would want to leave one planet to go to homestead another that is not even habitable without a protective suit. Planets are too unpredictable. They have weather and seismic events. They also have fairly deep gravity wells that make leaving them dangerous and expensive. Man made (sorry LGBTQRSWXYZ+ community) structures in various orbits should be the goal. The asteroid belt would provide all the materials needed. The solar system could then support a human population of trillions, and we could let the planet Earth rejuvenate and we could just shrug it off when most of the planet gets covered again with a mile of ice.
Hi on-topic :D

I don't think they have solved the seemingly significant deleterious effects being in space has on the human body, so orbiting structures doesn't appear to be a solution, at least not yet, though having some for research seems worthwhile.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The solar system could then support a human population of trillions,


Need artificial gravity, adequate shielding re:micro meteor, radiation etc.

Plus massive quantities of spandex, if sci-fi has taught me anything it's that we'll all be wearing spandex.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Musk is only and agent in vast government conspiracy with the ultimate goal of chip on your head.

You already have "autonomous" cars.
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John-Boy wrote:
Old School wrote:
The solar system could then support a human population of trillions,


Need artificial gravity, adequate shielding re:micro meteor, radiation etc.

Plus massive quantities of spandex, if sci-fi has taught me anything it's that we'll all be wearing spandex.
We could start with rotating wheels shielded by ice. Eventually the structures we build will be on such a scale that artificial gravity will not be needed.
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