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How should we handle this?
Stay the course, and allow #1 to happen.
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Do #2 now and get it over with.
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Do #3 now.
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Other (please post).
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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. . . He knows the U.S. will fuck his shit up beyond all comprehension. . . .


I wish I agreed with you on this point!

I believe if he truly understood the world he lives in and the powers that will fuck him up that he wouldn't be doing the dumb shit he is.

He is delusional. He's basically a cult leader at this point drunk on his perceived power.

Isn't he doing the rational thing at this point? Once he has nuclear ICBMs, he is pretty much safe from US invasion. Before he gets them, he is at risk of being the next Saddam or Ghadaffi or Al Asad. Given his options, the most logical thing is to throw everything into nuclear strike capability.


Rational Expectations wrote:
South Korea considers a nuclear arsenal to counter the North


Nothing new.

Earlier Similar response wrote:
Saudi Arabia Promises to Match Iran in Nuclear Capability
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Chosun Ilbo has an article from last night about the possible use of force from the U.S. What's interesting are the comments. I made it all the way to page five (Google Translator) and could not find one person who wanted to prolong talks. The most pacifist comment I could find called for the ROK to have its own nuclear program. Everyone else seems to be saying, "The only thing left to do is attack," which surprises me.

美 군사행동 가능성은… "시나리오 있지만 어렵다"
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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China's ambassador, Liu Jieyi, said the resolution showed that the world was "united in its position regarding the nuclear position on the Korean peninsula".
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only people hurt by nk sanctions are the poor and working classes. Sanctions are always an attack on the proletariat.

http://www.cpgb-ml.org/index.php?secName=proletarian&subName=display&art=1065
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We should give every country in the east nuclear 5 weapons. Whoever uses them all first gets 5 more!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The only people hurt by nk sanctions are the poor and working classes. Sanctions are always an attack on the proletariat.

http://www.cpgb-ml.org/index.php?secName=proletarian&subName=display&art=1065

Maybe the proletariat in the DPRK will elect new leadership.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old School wrote:
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The only people hurt by nk sanctions are the poor and working classes. Sanctions are always an attack on the proletariat.

http://www.cpgb-ml.org/index.php?secName=proletarian&subName=display&art=1065

Maybe the proletariat in the DPRK will elect new leadership.


you mean, the proletariat should rise up and overthrow the ruling and privileged Stalinist bureaucracy classes?

I couldn't agree more.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PornHub Dishes the Dirt on North Korean Porn Preferences
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's cheese

I knew it, when this kicked off, JB I said - it's cheese I said :

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Doctor claims steroid treatment for gout brought on by the tyrant's cheese addiction could be behind his aggression

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's cheese

I knew it, when this kicked off, JB I said - it's cheese I said :

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Doctor claims steroid treatment for gout brought on by the tyrant's cheese addiction could be behind his aggression


Could caught my eye. As in could make the earth explode if more CO2 exhaled from any source out in the atmosphere...and, scientist using it's profession agitating people just to press the right
emotional buttons.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's cheese

I knew it, when this kicked off, JB I said - it's cheese I said :

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Doctor claims steroid treatment for gout brought on by the tyrant's cheese addiction could be behind his aggression


Could caught my eye. As in could make the earth explode if more CO2 exhaled from any source out in the atmosphere...and, scientist using it's profession agitating people just to press the right
emotional buttons.


No it's deffo cheese, moreover it's euro cheese a good English Cheddar wouldn't turn you psychotic mark my words.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's cheese

I knew it, when this kicked off, JB I said - it's cheese I said :

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Doctor claims steroid treatment for gout brought on by the tyrant's cheese addiction could be behind his aggression


Could caught my eye. As in could make the earth explode if more CO2 exhaled from any source out in the atmosphere...and, scientist using it's profession agitating people just to press the right
emotional buttons.


No it's deffo cheese, moreover it's euro cheese a good English Cheddar wouldn't turn you psychotic mark my words.


*lol* Psychotic is what I am going for! Oh, why?!! I have like 10 kg of that Cheddar!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank god the Chinese stepped in a told everyone to calm down.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, thank god!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MSM failure. When China said that if the US attacked NK, China would defend wasn't news. That's been policy since the end of the Korean War. What actually was news was that China said that if NK attacked first, they'd be on their own. That was the actual news worthy portion of China's announcement, but MSM and their typical readers are morons who actually do not have a deep understanding of the situation.

Until Trump, China had never told North Korea that. All other US presidents had caved too quickly to the insanity of North Korea.

Trump does deserve credit for the largest shift in Sino-Korean relations in a lifetime. But they won't give it to him, they'll keep claiming he's a Neo-Nazi.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look at this repetitive headline -- U.N. Condemns North Korea’s Latest Missile Tests, but Takes No Action

Aren't "inaction" and "United Nations" formally synonymous terms already?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, the U.N. will only become involved if the decision is easy.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congratulations North Korea!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koala Kid wrote:
Congratulations North Korea!
:lol: :lol: :lol:


:cry: :cry: :cry:

Government schools with AntiFa teachers produced those morons.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koala Kid wrote:
Congratulations North Korea!
:lol: :lol: :lol:


Now I want a vomiting emoticon.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Congratulations North Korea!
:lol: :lol: :lol:


:cry: :cry: :cry:

Government schools with AntiFa teachers produced those morons.
Gotta be staged.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Gotta be staged.


You know that if it were you or I were being asked, our response wouldn't have made the cut.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old School wrote:
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Congratulations North Korea!
:lol: :lol: :lol:


:cry: :cry: :cry:

Government schools with AntiFa teachers produced those morons.
Gotta be staged.

You'd hope so. What's troubling is that you can't be sure...
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

richk449 wrote:
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Isn't he doing the rational thing at this point? Once he has nuclear ICBMs, he is pretty much safe from US invasion. Before he gets them, he is at risk of being the next Saddam or Ghadaffi or Al Asad. Given his options, the most logical thing is to throw everything into nuclear strike capability.


. . . play nice with the other kids who are bigger than he is so they don't kick his teeth in.

You know he doesn't HAVE to be a total douche. Right? You do know that just because he inherited a shit-idea government doesn't mean he is required to continue such concepts. Right? His options are not just "fight or be overthrown". Right? He could at least pretend to be civilized. Right? C'mon now. Use the space between your ears.


https://theintercept.com/2017/07/29/dan-coats-north-korea-nukes-nuclear-libya-regime-change/
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What isn’t mentioned in any of these stories is how we got to this point — in particular, what Dan Coats, President Donald Trump’s Director of National Security, explained last week at the Aspen Security Forum.

North Korea’s 33-year-old dictator Kim Jong-un is not crazy, said Coats. In fact, he has “some rationale backing his actions” regarding the country’s nuclear weapons. That rationale is the way the U.S. has demonstrated that North Korea must keep them to ensure “survival for his regime, survival for his country.”

Kim, according to Coats, “has watched, I think, what has happened around the world relative to nations that possess nuclear capabilities and the leverage they have and seen that having the nuclear card in your pocket results in a lot of deterrence capability.” In particular, “The lessons that we learned out of Libya giving up its nukes … is, unfortunately: If you had nukes, never give them up. If you don’t have them, get them.”

This is, of course, blindingly obvious and has been since the U.S. helped oust longtime Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi’s regime in 2011.

Here's another one:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/method-behind-kim-jong-uns-11141264
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Trump says Kim is mad and gagging for it – nuclear war that is. And that kind of misunderstanding could lead to one.

But what if Kim is playing a more rational strategic game? His dad Kim Jong-il did in 1994.

The North Koreans needed oil and power stations and president Bill Clinton agreed to provide them in return for freezing their nuclear ­programme.

But America couldn’t keep its side of the bargain.

To make progress – whether in Brussels or Pyongyang – we must try to see ourselves as others do, and put ourselves in their shoes. Kim believes the West wants to ­annihilate North Korea.

He might be deluded but after what happened to Iraq’s Saddam Hussein and Libya’s Muammar Gaddafi there are recent precedents.

And if they’d had the weapons Kim is perfecting they would still be alive and in power. That’s the view of former Foreign Secretary William Hague anyway, and he sees this with more clarity than ­current one, Boris Johnson.

Hague wrote: “To have a nuclear warhead and missile programme half complete means being vulnerable and under pressure. To have it ready for action gives power and security.”
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