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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2018 2:38 pm    Post subject: Finding the right desktop environment Reply with quote

Felt like doing one of those blog-posty kind of threads again and even though it's DE and Gentoo-related, it's not a support request so I feel it'd end up here eventually... :D


When I dove head-first into Gentoo almost a year ago now, (and by "head-first" I mean spent an afternoon installing it in a virtual machine on Windows, succeeding, and immediately wiping my Windows partitions the next day) I chose XFCE as my DE of choice because I heard good things like "lightweight" and "no-nonsense" about it and decided it was better than The Foot or The Dragon.

I liked it at first, and still do, but then as I started discovering more about the *nix world, I started to question the necessity of having different daemons running, some of them elevating my privileges and others tracking all the users logged in (i.e. only me). Thank the Gentoo (or Portage?) devs for USE flags, I was able to remove the *kits, udisks and upower from my system, but I still wasn't happy. XFCE still had quite a lot of excessive baggage and I wanted something simpler.

I had tried LXDE but didn't get further than "emerge -pv lxde", that's when I was informed that *kits were a requirement; needless to say, I backed out of that pretty quickly.
I had come across Lumina in the article about LXDE on the Gentoo Wiki, so I gave that a shot. I was pretty underwhelmed at first and kept on being underwhelmed for the month+ I had used it. There were small things here and there that bothered me and the DE never really grew on me (the Insight File Manager was, hands down, the worst part). I'm sure it's a great DE on the BSDs and certainly has potential but I wasn't happy.

In comes IceWM. I had already had experience, albeit minimal, with running just a bare-bones WM as my GUI (OpenBox on a laptop). It was great, just what I had been looking for, and the existence of the IceWM Control Panel didn't hurt either since the configs are a tad bit confusing at first. But Windows 95 theme and ye olde Debian menu you say? I'll take 50!

But that's not all: now comes the time to choose a file manager. I thought, if push comes to shove, I'll just go back to XFCE's Thunar... No need; X File Explorer smashes down from the sky. This file manager is pure sex. The UI is perfect, options are great (I can run the FM as root using either su or sudo! I can customise what programs I want to use for what! I can execute commands from the current folder! Total Commander-like two panes!), barely any dependencies. Being this excited about a file manger might be silly but I had found all the others I had tried so far (GNOME Files, Thunar, Insight) very disappointing. Simply put, if I was ever to create a file manager, it would look a whole lot like XFE.


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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2018 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enlightenment was my main WM for many years. The *box WM's are decent, but I like a bit more eyecandy. Gnome 3 is ok, but I prefer KDE (Plasma) these days. K3B is still my main ripper/burner, and Kdenlive is my preferred *nix video editor. Kate's a decent little editor, but I find that I tend to just launch nano or vim in konsole... unless I'm working on a long python script. For those, I use Wing-IDE.

Fundamentally I'm fine using any WM/DE. So it's just a matter of taste.
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2018 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On my desktop that I rarely use, I have

lumina, which I've not used enough to explain why I'm likely to not continue using it.

xfce (4), I've never cared the interface.

And i3, which I haven't had a chance to configure, but I suspect this is the general direction I'll end up going.

Fluxbox is also installed, but I'm not sure why. I'm guessing i3 uses it, as I haven't used Fluxbox in a very long time. I tried FVWM, but never perceived the amazing performance others attributed to it, and the configuration wasn't worth the effort.
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2018 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just checked out some videos about i3 wm and it looks nice. It's like having Tmux as a wm.

I think I'll give it a shot. Thanks for the tip, pjp.
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2018 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Real men use dwm.
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2018 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Muso wrote:
I just checked out some videos about i3 wm and it looks nice. It's like having Tmux as a wm.

I think I'll give it a shot. Thanks for the tip, pjp.
I'll be curious to learn what you think of it. It seemed somewhat anti-eyecandy, which was one reason I was interested :)
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2018 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'll shamelessly plug my overlay which contains mate 1.20 8)
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2018 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
Muso wrote:
I just checked out some videos about i3 wm and it looks nice. It's like having Tmux as a wm.

I think I'll give it a shot. Thanks for the tip, pjp.
I'll be curious to learn what you think of it. It seemed somewhat anti-eyecandy, which was one reason I was interested :)


As much as I love eyecandy, the functionality of Tmux is just lovely. I have i3 installed, but I won't be using it until tomorrow. Will give my opinion then.
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2018 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
Fluxbox is also installed, but I'm not sure why.

Lumina uses Fluxbox.
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Now you may be joking but I actually quite like stuff by suckless. Currently, my terminal emulator is st (applied the patch for scrollback because fuck "hurr scrollback harmful, use a multiplexer xd") and I sometimes use surf despite it just being a wrapper on top of the massive WebKitGTK rendering engine.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wasn't joking, and i3 is basically a bloated version of dwm. i3 is to dwm as Linux Mint is to Debian server.

i3 is for Athenians, and dwm is for Spartans.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bones McCracker wrote:
I wasn't joking, and i3 is basically a bloated version of dwm. i3 is to dwm as Linux Mint is to Debian server.

I see, thanks for the heads up. I may give it a try even though I'm not a fan of tiling WMs.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Muso wrote:
Enlightenment was my main WM for many years. . . .


I've used e16 since 1998. I love it!
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard a couple years ago that e17 might actually be actually released soon.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used plasma, gnome, xfce... and always came back to LXDE.
LXDE + xcompmgr is my favorite combo.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've given up looking for a nice WM. Now I just use openbox with wmctrl keybinds to bludgeon it into doing my bidding.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sway is great:
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Sway-1.0-Alpha-Released
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Absolutely. Insall includes chest-hair with optional support for a moustache.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tmux seems very interesting to use on my windows/cygwin. I kind of looked it up and it's available through the fedora peeps...
Looks awesome to me.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

patrix_neo wrote:
Tmux seems very interesting to use on my windows/cygwin. I kind of looked it up and it's available through the fedora peeps...
Looks awesome to me.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqehvpe_djs

As for i3, it's nice on a laptop. But on a desktop I'll stick with Plasma (w/tmux) for now.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Muso wrote:
patrix_neo wrote:
Tmux seems very interesting to use on my windows/cygwin. I kind of looked it up and it's available through the fedora peeps...
Looks awesome to me.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqehvpe_djs

As for i3, it's nice on a laptop. But on a desktop I'll stick with Plasma (w/tmux) for now.


But what is the 'i3' in Tmux? I am very confused otherwise, but now...que?
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do any of you people use MOSH?
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

patrix_neo wrote:
Tmux seems very interesting to use on my windows/cygwin. I kind of looked it up and it's available through the fedora peeps...
Looks awesome to me.

Best way to use tmux:
Open terminal, start tmux session.
In the tmux session, ssh to other computer.
In the ssh session, ssh back to first computer.
In that, join the tmux session.
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Bones McCracker wrote:
patrix_neo wrote:
Tmux seems very interesting to use on my windows/cygwin. I kind of looked it up and it's available through the fedora peeps...
Looks awesome to me.

Best way to use tmux:
Open terminal, start tmux session.
In the tmux session, ssh to other computer.
In the ssh session, ssh back to first computer.
In that, join the tmux session.


:lol: :lol: :lol:
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wormhole!
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Does anybody have the balls to try what I said?
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