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Who will be the democrat party's nominee?
Bernie
23%
 23%  [ 7 ]
Biden
26%
 26%  [ 8 ]
Fauxcahontas
3%
 3%  [ 1 ]
Buttigieg
6%
 6%  [ 2 ]
Klobuchar
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Tulsi
6%
 6%  [ 2 ]
Yang
3%
 3%  [ 1 ]
Bloomberg
13%
 13%  [ 4 ]
Hillary
13%
 13%  [ 4 ]
Kerry
3%
 3%  [ 1 ]
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:09 am    Post subject: US Election Campaign 2020 Reply with quote

The Iowa Caucus

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Ok, so the democrats absolutely blew it. We still do not have the results, and by this point in 2008, Obama had landed in New Hampshire as the victor. The democrats are claiming that they have "irregularities" with their, so called, quality control of the results.

So we have multiple campaigns claiming victory, with no official numbers being released.

My own "tin foil hat" theory is that Bernie won, and the DNC is cheating him, again.

Actual results tomorrow... maybe.

The gods of chaos are rejoicing.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obviously it is the Russians.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Obviously it is the Russians.


Do you think my conspiracy theory of the DNC just trying to screw Bernie has any validity?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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richk449 wrote:
Obviously it is the Russians.


Do you think my conspiracy theory of the DNC just trying to screw Bernie has any validity?

The DNC doesn't want to screw Bernie. They kindly want him to lose.

If they really are trying to pull something underhand, this seems like a pretty lousy way to try to get away with it.

You know I am not a conspiracy theorist: the much more likely explanation, which doesn't require any suspension of disbelief, is that the DNC is incompetent.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You know I am not a conspiracy theorist: the much more likely explanation, which doesn't require any suspension of disbelief, is that the DNC is incompetent.

Tell me, why did Debbie Wasserman Schultz resign from the DNC a few years ago? Wasn't it because of corruption in the Democratic Primaries? I also believe the most likely explanation. The DNC is corrupt.

Bloomberg does not meet the threshold for appearing in the debates, yet after a hefty contribution to the DNC.... voila!.... he's in.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

richk449 wrote:
Muso wrote:
richk449 wrote:
Obviously it is the Russians.


Do you think my conspiracy theory of the DNC just trying to screw Bernie has any validity?

The DNC doesn't want to screw Bernie. They kindly want him to lose.

If they really are trying to pull something underhand, this seems like a pretty lousy way to try to get away with it.

You know I am not a conspiracy theorist: the much more likely explanation, which doesn't require any suspension of disbelief, is that the DNC is incompetent.


Fair enough. I do think that the hard core "Bernie bros" will view any results which do not place Sanders at the top as illegitimate, so regardless of the outcome, yet another self-inflicted wound.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

richk449 wrote:
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richk449 wrote:
Obviously it is the Russians.


Do you think my conspiracy theory of the DNC just trying to screw Bernie has any validity?

The DNC doesn't want to screw Bernie. They kindly want him to lose.

If they really are trying to pull something underhand, this seems like a pretty lousy way to try to get away with it.

You know I am not a conspiracy theorist: the much more likely explanation, which doesn't require any suspension of disbelief, is that the DNC is incompetent.

You're in denial, again.

The system being used to collect results has been shown to have some "reporting inconsistencies". The tech firm who created the app are called "Shadow", and all its senior people used to work on the Clinton campaign in 2016
https://twitter.com/walkerbragman/status/1224573131731369994

The Clinton campaign was credibly accused of using tech to manipulate the results of the Iowa caucus in 2016
https://www.globalresearch.ca/why-the-iowa-caucus-turned-into-a-voter-fraud-circus-in-favor-of-hillary/5505931

They lying, cheating, corrupt, Clinton-crony Democrat establishment is trying to ignore the will of the people and fuck them over!

Bernie Bro's are rising up. Not gonna let the bitches get away with this!
https://twitter.com/hashtag/DNCisCorrupt
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old School wrote:
richk449 wrote:
You know I am not a conspiracy theorist: the much more likely explanation, which doesn't require any suspension of disbelief, is that the DNC is incompetent.

Tell me, why did Debbie Wasserman Schultz resign from the DNC a few years ago? Wasn't it because of corruption in the Democratic Primaries? I also believe the most likely explanation. The DNC is corrupt.

Bloomberg does not meet the threshold for appearing in the debates, yet after a hefty contribution to the DNC.... voila!.... he's in.

I'm not saying that the DNC is not corrupt. It is. I just think that if the Iowa caucus was being corruptly rigged, the reports would be reported on time and nobody would know anything until a few months from now when a whistleblower files a complaint.

I'm saying that this event looks much more like incompetence than corruption.

Of course, it doesn't have to be one or the other going on, it could be both. But the fact that we are talking about it now is due to the incompetence part.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

richk449 wrote:
Old School wrote:
richk449 wrote:
You know I am not a conspiracy theorist: the much more likely explanation, which doesn't require any suspension of disbelief, is that the DNC is incompetent.

Tell me, why did Debbie Wasserman Schultz resign from the DNC a few years ago? Wasn't it because of corruption in the Democratic Primaries? I also believe the most likely explanation. The DNC is corrupt.

Bloomberg does not meet the threshold for appearing in the debates, yet after a hefty contribution to the DNC.... voila!.... he's in.

I'm not saying that the DNC is not corrupt. It is. I just think that if the Iowa caucus was being corruptly rigged, the reports would be reported on time and nobody would know anything until a few months from now when a whistleblower files a complaint.

I'm saying that this event looks much more like incompetence than corruption.

Of course, it doesn't have to be one or the other going on, it could be both. But the fact that we are talking about it now is due to the incompetence part.

Unless there are checks and balances now in place to catch the kind of inconsistencies that such tampering with results would cause, which seems quite reasonable and plausible to me after the same people tried the same thing in 2016, and perfectly consistent with what's going on. You're in denial, again. after
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The real winner of the Iowa Caucus of 2020 : Donald Trump
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The real winner of the Iowa Caucus of 2020 : Donald Trump

Especially is the winner, because Senator Lamar Alexander already judged:
He shouldn't have cheaten, but the voters must decide.
This Lamar said in Meet the Press, you'll watch it here:
Senate Should Not 'Substitute Its Judgment' For Voters
And Dershowitz lectured the Senate last week: The U.S. is an elected kingdom for any 8 years, where the king in the general interest is morally dictated to cheat.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bones McCracker wrote:
Unless there are checks and balances now in place to catch the kind of inconsistencies that such tampering with results would cause, which seems quite reasonable and plausible to me after the same people tried the same thing in 2016, and perfectly consistent with what's going on. You're in denial, again. after

The first twitter link in your thread is hilarious.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Russian hackers was Hillary
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
The Democrats
@TheDemocrats
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12 Std.
Satellite caucuses allowed Iowans — no matter where they were on caucus night — to participate in the #IACaucus and help choose our next president!

official results at: https://results.thecaucuses.org/
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Candidate SDE National Delegates
Bennet 0 -
Biden 0 -
Bloomberg 0 -
Buttigieg 0 -
Delaney 0 -
Gabbard 0 -
Klobuchar 0 -
Patrick 0 -
Sanders 0 -
Steyer 0 -
Warren 0 -
Yang 0 -
Other 0 -
Uncommitted 0 -
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They can't even run a caucus and they want to run the nation. Trump's poll numbers not only reached the highest point of his presidency this morning, but they are also higher than Obama's during the same point in his presidency. Obama had the media running cover for him and virtually fellating him 24/7 while the media has been out to destroy Trump since day one. And Trump still wins.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still on https://results.thecaucuses.org/
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0% reporting (0 of 1765 precincts)

Accounting 4secs per vote I would have done this in 2 hours counting the votes alone.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tech firm started by Clinton campaign veterans is linked to Iowa caucus debacle

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is surprising is the app didn't show a landslide victory for that sick, demented, alcoholic Hillary Clinton.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What is surprising is the app didn't show a landslide victory for that sick, demented, alcoholic Hillary Clinton.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

This is such a spectacular own goal. My sides are in pain from laughing.

The party told campaigns Tuesday that the problem was a result of a “coding issue in the reporting system” that it said had since been fixed. It said it had verified the accuracy of the collected data and said the problem was not a result of “a hack or an intrusion.”

Coding issue. So it is time for more journalists to get fired and learn to code so they can help their masters in the democrat party.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:15 pm    Post subject: Re: US Election Campaign 2020 Reply with quote

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The Iowa Caucus

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Ok, so the democrats absolutely blew it. We still do not have the results, and by this point in 2008, Obama had landed in New Hampshire as the victor. The democrats are claiming that they have "irregularities" with their, so called, quality control of the results.

So we have multiple campaigns claiming victory, with no official numbers being released.

My own "tin foil hat" theory is that Bernie won, and the DNC is cheating him, again.

Actual results tomorrow... maybe.

The gods of chaos are rejoicing.
I think the Democrat Party / DNC does not want to lose its influence in politics and that they believe if they allow the extremist socialist-communists to take over, they'll lose that influence. Sanders appears to be the only one among that group of extremists that is a threat to become the nominee. Thus, the "pledge" to be a Democrat to be considered for nomination. Not that the pledge makes sense, as some who are in the party are more extreme than Sanders. And the only reason they came up with the idea of the pledge seems to be related to his being an Independent.

So what I think happened is that either Sanders won with a thin margin, or that the votes were "too close" to be comfortable with picking a winner. To try and secure a devicsive candidate, vote wrangling went on to nudge "no chance candidate" votes to go toward another candidate (preferably not Sandres). Or maybe they just totally botched the voting system and had to start over. But I still think there was an attempt to achieve a decisive non-Sanders nominee.

If I thought they wanted a credible vote to select a candidate, I'd be surprised they didn't go with a simple paper system to select all candidates in order of preference. But I don't think they want a democratic selection of the Democrat Party nominee. Other than disenfranchising their supporters, I don't think there are many limitations on how they come up with a candidate.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nevada Democratic Party abandons problematic app used in Iowa caucuses
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where is the coup d etat? It should have happen 3 years ago! /HRC
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The results of 63% of the votes showing up:
There is no hint it was the DNC who wanted to corrupt the IOWA caucus. But an app that was not able to consume input of 1753 sensors. We know the Boeing app with only one sensor was failing deadly for hundreds of passengers....

Biden results are half of Buttigieg's. The favorite of Hillary perhaps could have better results in a more colored environment. But I think his campaign is loosing momentum quickly out of this fiasko.

Totals:
Moderates ca 55% -versus- Lefties ca 45%

Buttigies must take Biden as his Vice (well trained for doing the job) and the primary of the Democratic Party is solved.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lee Camp ~ Iowa Fix Is In – Proof of Manufactured Chaos
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Lee Camp ~ Iowa Fix Is In – Proof of Manufactured Chaos

full nonsense:
You - as Sanders fan - just have to go https://results.thecaucuses.org/
scroll down a little and can proove with your own eyes
if the result at the place where you in IOWA just have caucused is counted correctly.

IOWA is not the place you can cheat because it is all in the open there !
And you can guess every strong follower of Sanders is doing exactly that!

My question: Was there ever any Vice president serving a third term?
Is this allowed by the constitution?
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