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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

asturm wrote:
But somehow I don't think tld had the theme breakage in mind when calling it 'heavy'.

Perhaps tlld had the atk-bridge stuff in mind which forces in several deps, including dbus.
Fortunately, BSD maintain a patch which makes this part optional. A corresponding ebuild (which also uses optionally minimal debugging information) is in the mv overlay.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't get a good impression of palemoon (even reading here frankly)

Can you be more precise?
Maybe you have to distinguish between palemoon - the project - and palemoon - the ebuild: I think all criticism mentioned here referred to the ebuild.

In fact, the ebuild from the palemoon overlay is unusually restrictive: Allowing only compiler and library versions which work on the maintainer's machine. In some sense this is understandable, but for some users like me it is simply too restrictive.

Note that in the octopus overlay also a palemoon overlay is maintained which is much more liberal and allows a fine-tuning of system libs. After my last conflicts due to the locked hunspell version, I swtiched to that ebuild. The generated palemoon is rock stable.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mv: Yea, I think most of what I read about palemoon that seemed questionable was related to the ebuild. I'm on an old x86 machine, and I am in fact able to compile FF, though it takes time. I seem to read a lot about the palemoon compile really tanking the system...not sure on all that. I've also read some criticisms (on soylentnews.org I believe) where some questioned the palemoon project altogether, as being too dependent on upstream for patches, and otherwise being questionable. I have no clue if there was any validity to any of that.

On the gtk3 thing, you're correct: That wants to pull in crap I don't use including dbus.

I wouldn't put it past the folks involved to, at some point, try and make some gtk version dependent on systemd...though I don't think they'd get away with that. Then again, I wouldn't have thought they'd get away with the Gnome dependency, and they have.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is my own ebuild for palemoon-bin which works fine. Yes, unfortunately, upstream is hostile to Gentoo.
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# Copyright 2016 Gentoo Foundation
# Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2

EAPI=5

inherit eutils

DESCRIPTION="ebuild for palemoon browser binary install"

HOMEPAGE="http://www.palemoon.org"

SRC_URI="http://linux.palemoon.org/files/${PV}/palemoon-${PV}.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2"

LICENSE="Palemoon-BRL"

SLOT="0"

KEYWORDS="~amd64"

RESTRICT="mirror"

IUSE="X "

DEPEND=""

#all runtime dependencies are contained in downloaded tarball
RDEPEND="${DEPEND}"

S="${WORKDIR}"

src_install() {
   mkdir "${S}"/palemoon-bin
   cp -R "${S}"/palemoon/* "${S}"/palemoon-bin
# files will be installed to /opt rather than /usr/bin
   insinto /opt
# the untarred files are in  work/palemoon
# this command copies them from there to /opt/palemoon-bin  (not /opt as you might think)
   doins  -r  "${S}"/palemoon-bin
   dodir /usr/bin
   dosym /opt/palemoon-bin/palemoon-bin /usr/bin/palemoon-bin

# following cribbed from firefox-bin ebuild
   local size sizes icon_path icon name
   sizes="16 32 48"
   icon_path="${S}/palemoon-bin/browser/chrome/icons/default"
   icon="${PN}"
   name="Palemoon"

   # Install icons and .desktop for menu entry
   for size in ${sizes}; do
      insinto "/usr/share/icons/hicolor/${size}x${size}/apps"
      newins "${icon_path}/default${size}.png" "${icon}.png" || die
   done
   # The 128x128 icon has a different name
   insinto "/usr/share/icons/hicolor/128x128/apps"
   newins "${S}/palemoon-bin/browser/icons/mozicon128.png" "${icon}.png" || die
   # Install a 48x48 icon into /usr/share/pixmaps for legacy DEs
   newicon "${S}"/palemoon-bin/browser/chrome/icons/default/default48.png ${PN}.png
   domenu "${FILESDIR}"/icon/${PN}.desktop
}

pkg_postinst()
{
   chmod +x /opt/palemoon-bin/palemoon-bin
}
The license is NOT approved by upstream. They insist that the license text which I copied from the webpage use the exact fonts they use, which is impossible in a text file.
I've used this for at least a year. When a new version comes out, I just copy the ebuild to the new number and run "repoman manifest".

I was using firefox-bin anyway. Too much of a PITA to compile for no observable benefit.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mv wrote:
Note that in the octopus overlay also a palemoon overlay is maintained which is much more liberal and allows a fine-tuning of system libs. After my last conflicts due to the locked hunspell version, I swtiched to that ebuild. The generated palemoon is rock stable.

mv ... thanks for that information, having added the octopus overlay my next though was, will this link with =sys-devel/binutils-2.26.1, or am I similarly required to downgrade to 2.25.1-r1 as per AJM's report?

best ... khay
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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will this link with =sys-devel/binutils-2.26.1, or am I similarly required to downgrade to 2.25.1-r1 as per AJM's report?

I didn't understand which problems you had. I am using gcc:6 and binutils-2.27 since ages - I don't have older versions on my system - and had always compiled palemoon only with this: For the ebuild from the palemoon overlay, I had applied some patches to avoid the forced test for the gcc version, and I had also patched out system-cairo, because this is the only system library which caused frequent crashes for me. Finally, I had also to patch out atk-bridge stuff when trying gtk:3, because my gtk3 does not provide atk-bride.

For the ebuild from octopus, I did not apply any patches (except for atk-bridge), used all system libs with the exception of system-cairo and system-sqlite (the latter had some underlinking issue with ICU so that palemoon did not install with it).

Both versions run rather stable, though that from octopus appears to be even more stable (I don't know why: It's the same sources, but perhaps some more system libs are used, e.g. for encryption):
The version from the palemoon overlay crashed reproduciible when llogging into google mail, the version from octopus does not (or only very rarely) in this case.
In some sense this crash is "to be expected": Some old firefox versions had suffered from exactly the same problem.
But apart from this (which probably is related to google talk plugin and video conversion), my experience with both palemoons is very positive (and also some bugs I reported had been sanely solved).
The gtk:3 variant loks ugly (e.g. scrollbars do not work), and unless you install the adawait theme, most icons are jjust dummys.
However, gtk:3 support is not yet claimed to be ready by upstream. gtk:2 works nice.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tony0945 wrote:
The license is NOT approved by upstream. They insist that the license text which I copied from the webpage use the exact fonts they use, which is impossible in a text file.
Hahah...OMG. That may actually be the most dickish thing I've ever heard in my life. Amazing.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tld wrote:
Tony0945 wrote:
The license is NOT approved by upstream. They insist that the license text which I copied from the webpage use the exact fonts they use, which is impossible in a text file.
Hahah...OMG. That may actually be the most dickish thing I've ever heard in my life. Amazing.

I think the (now thankfully dead) ion3 WM holds that crown. BS license, and the author actively went around harassing distros that tried to package it.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tld wrote:
Tony0945 wrote:
The license is NOT approved by upstream. They insist that the license text which I copied from the webpage use the exact fonts they use, which is impossible in a text file.
Hahah...OMG. That may actually be the most dickish thing I've ever heard in my life. Amazing.
... I wonder it that's even legal in some places...
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ant P. wrote:
I think the (now thankfully dead) ion3 WM holds that crown. BS license, and the author actively went around harassing distros that tried to package it.
The developer is a shame spot. I cannot believe he's a Finn.
I apologize for his behaviour. ;P
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I didn't understand which problems you had. I am using gcc:6 and binutils-2.27 since ages - I don't have older versions on my system


This is why you didn't see the problem, IIRC it only occurs with older versions of GCC coupled with newer versions of binutils. I'm on
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zucca wrote:
tld wrote:
Tony0945 wrote:
The license is NOT approved by upstream. They insist that the license text which I copied from the webpage use the exact fonts they use, which is impossible in a text file.

Hahah...OMG. That may actually be the most dickish thing I've ever heard in my life. Amazing.

... I wonder it that's even legal in some places...

Zucca ... it's not a recognised legal convention anywhere, a contract isn't the font, or paper, it's the content. A contract could state something like "void if not signed with the blood of a virgin", but any court would exclude this as a valid criteria for the contract being applicable. So too with a licence, the licence is not the font, and if this is a stipulation, it would no doubt be excluded as applicable.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AJM wrote:
This is why you didn't see the problem, IIRC it only occurs with older versions of GCC coupled with newer versions of binutils. I'm on
Code:
(Gentoo 4.9.4 p1.0, pie-0.6.4)


5.4.0-r3 is stable now. It messed up my schedule, basically taking all day to compile and revdep-rebuild.

I have another system running 6.3.0 for quite a while with no problems. I probably should update all the systems to 6.3.0 and have done with it.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mv wrote:
khayyam wrote:
will this link with =sys-devel/binutils-2.26.1, or am I similarly required to downgrade to 2.25.1-r1 as per AJM's report?

I didn't understand which problems you had. I am using gcc:6 and binutils-2.27 since ages

mv ... that was in relation to AJM saying they had experienced the same error as I had (above), and resolved it by downgrading binutils. Based on AJM's reply I'm hopefully not effected as I've recently updated to gcc-5.4.0.

mv wrote:
For the ebuild from octopus, I did not apply any patches (except for atk-bridge), used all system libs with the exception of system-cairo and system-sqlite (the latter had some underlinking issue with ICU so that palemoon did not install with it).

That's further useful information, good you mentioned it as I generally enable all the system-* useflags if available.

best ... khay
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tony0945 wrote:
AJM wrote:
This is why you didn't see the problem, IIRC it only occurs with older versions of GCC coupled with newer versions of binutils. I'm on
Code:
(Gentoo 4.9.4 p1.0, pie-0.6.4)


5.4.0-r3 is stable now. It messed up my schedule, basically taking all day to compile and revdep-rebuild.

I have another system running 6.3.0 for quite a while with no problems. I probably should update all the systems to 6.3.0 and have done with it.


I'm still running gcc 4.9.4 and have 5.4.0* blocked for now, would it be better to just go to gcc 6.3.0?
I run a mostly stable system with a few ~amd64 packages.
I don't run gtk3, gnome anything, kde, opting for openbox instead, so no dm's and I use startx vs a session manager.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anon-E-moose wrote:
I'm still running gcc 4.9.4 and have 5.4.0* blocked for now, would it be better to just go to gcc 6.3.0?
I run a mostly stable system with a few ~amd64 packages.

No, certainly not, especially if you run stable:

https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=gcc-5
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=gcc-6

Do the 5.4.0 upgrade, run the rebuilds per the news item, avoid the aforementioned binutils issue. The same will *not* be necessary if you upgrade to 6.3.0 after 5.4.0.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mv wrote:
khayyam wrote:
will this link with =sys-devel/binutils-2.26.1, or am I similarly required to downgrade to 2.25.1-r1 as per AJM's report?

I didn't understand which problems you had. I am using gcc:6 and binutils-2.27 since ages - I don't have older versions on my system - and had always compiled palemoon only with this: For the ebuild from the palemoon overlay, I had applied some patches to avoid the forced test for the gcc version, and I had also patched out system-cairo, because this is the only system library which caused frequent crashes for me. Finally, I had also to patch out atk-bridge stuff when trying gtk:3, because my gtk3 does not provide atk-bride.

For the ebuild from octopus, I did not apply any patches (except for atk-bridge), used all system libs with the exception of system-cairo and system-sqlite (the latter had some underlinking issue with ICU so that palemoon did not install with it).

mv ... that's not the case here:

build.log:
 * Checking gcc version...
 * You are currently on a gcc 5.* compiler profile.
 * Building Pale Moon with gcc >=5 results in a very unstable build.
 * You can use gcc-config to change your compiler profile,
 * just remember to change it back afterwards.
 * You need to have the appropriate versions of gcc installed
 * for them to be shown in gcc-config.
 * ERROR: www-client/palemoon-27.2.1::octopus failed (pretend phase):

best ... khay
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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mv ... that's not the case here:

You can add a patch which makes the check non-fatal.[/url]
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

khayyam wrote:
build.log:
 * Checking gcc version...
 * You are currently on a gcc 5.* compiler profile.
 * Building Pale Moon with gcc >=5 results in a very unstable build.
 * You can use gcc-config to change your compiler profile,
 * just remember to change it back afterwards.
 * You need to have the appropriate versions of gcc installed
 * for them to be shown in gcc-config.
 * ERROR: www-client/palemoon-27.2.1::octopus failed (pretend phase):

best ... khay
This seems to only concern gcc-5.*, because with gcc-6 there is no such message:
Code:
 ~ # emerge --ask palemoon

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies  .... done!
[ebuild  N     ] www-client/palemoon-27.2.1::octopus  USE="alsa dbus -devtools ffmpeg gtk2 -gtk3 jemalloc -necko-wifi official-branding optimize printing -pulseaudio -shared-js speech spell -strip-binaries -system-cairo system-compress system-images system-libevent system-pixman system-spell -system-sqlite system-vpx -valgrind wave webm webrtc" 0 KiB

Total: 1 package (1 new), Size of downloads: 0 KiB

Would you like to merge these packages? [Yes/No] yes
>>> Verifying ebuild manifests
>>> Running pre-merge checks for www-client/palemoon-27.2.1
 * Checking for at least 6 GiB disk space at "/home/portage/www-client/palemoon-27.2.1/temp" ...                                             [ ok ]
 * Checking gcc version...
>>> Emerging (1 of 1) www-client/palemoon-27.2.1::octopus
>>> Installing (1 of 1) www-client/palemoon-27.2.1::octopus
>>> Recording www-client/palemoon in "world" favorites file...
>>> Jobs: 1 of 1 complete                           Load avg: 3.31, 5.65, 5.58

 * Messages for package www-client/palemoon-27.2.1:

 * You are enabling official branding. You may not redistribute this build
 * to any users on your network or the internet. Doing so puts yourself into
 * a legal problem with Moonchild Productions
 * You can disable it by emerging palemoon _without_ the official-branding USE-flag
>>> Auto-cleaning packages...

>>> No outdated packages were found on your system.

 * GNU info directory index is up-to-date.
I am using:
Code:
 ~ $ eix -I -c  '(sys-devel/gcc|sys-devel/binutils|sys-libs/glibc)'
[I] sys-devel/binutils (2.27(2.27)@15.11.2016): Tools necessary to build programs
[I] sys-devel/binutils-config (5-r3@13.03.2017): Utility to change the binutils version being used
[I] sys-devel/gcc (6.3.0(6.3.0)@25.04.2017): The GNU Compiler Collection
[I] sys-devel/gcc-config (1.8-r1@16.08.2016): utility to manage compilers
[I] sys-libs/glibc (2.24-r1(2.2)@14.02.2017): GNU libc6 (also called glibc2) C library
Oh, and palemoon runs fine here.

The build needed 1 hour and 20 minutes on my laptop.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yamakuzure wrote:
khayyam wrote:
build.log:
 * Checking gcc version...
 * You are currently on a gcc 5.* compiler profile.
 * Building Pale Moon with gcc >=5 results in a very unstable build.
 * You can use gcc-config to change your compiler profile,
 * just remember to change it back afterwards.
 * You need to have the appropriate versions of gcc installed
 * for them to be shown in gcc-config.
 * ERROR: www-client/palemoon-27.2.1::octopus failed (pretend phase):

best ... khay
This seems to only concern gcc-5.*, because with gcc-6 there is no such message:[code]

Probably just a broken version check. If they think it's broken with GCC-5, and the message says >=GCC-5 in fact, then it very likely is also true with GCC-6.
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asturm wrote:
Yamakuzure wrote:
khayyam wrote:
build.log:
 * Checking gcc version...
 * You are currently on a gcc 5.* compiler profile.
 * Building Pale Moon with gcc >=5 results in a very unstable build.

best ... khay
This seems to only concern gcc-5.*, because with gcc-6 there is no such message:[code]

Probably just a broken version check. If they think it's broken with GCC-5, and the message says >=GCC-5 in fact, then it very likely is also true with GCC-6.
Well, Palemoon is very stable on my system.
In fact I did not perceive any strange behaviour or experienced any crashes, yet.

Maybe this version check is no longer necessary?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yamakuzure wrote:
Maybe this version check is no longer necessary?

This was reported as a bug several times on the palemoon overlay. However, it does not work for the maintainer of the palemoon overlay, and it seems he will not remove the test until it works for him.

BTW, meanwhile I have also again segfaults when logging into google mail. (Both, octopus and palemoon overlays.) Perhaps only temporarily something on the server side had changed.
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et al ...

well, I give up, after including mv's /etc/portage/env to avoid the gcc check, the first attempt at building failed (due to a missing webm header). Adding USE="webm" it then fails with the very same "read-only segment has dynamic relocations" error at linking (reported above).

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asturm wrote:
Do the 5.4.0 upgrade, run the rebuilds per the news item, avoid the aforementioned binutils issue. The same will *not* be necessary if you upgrade to 6.3.0 after 5.4.0.
Not to hijack the topic, but just curious: I've just synced and I see that gcc-5.4.0-r3 is stable. I see there's no new news item...I assume these are the rebuild items you're referring to?:
https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2015-10-22-gcc-5-new-c++11-abi.html

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tld wrote:
asturm wrote:
Do the 5.4.0 upgrade, run the rebuilds per the news item, avoid the aforementioned binutils issue. The same will *not* be necessary if you upgrade to 6.3.0 after 5.4.0.
Not to hijack the topic, but just curious: I've just synced and I see that gcc-5.4.0-r3 is stable. I see there's no new news item...I assume these are the rebuild items you're referring to?:
https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2015-10-22-gcc-5-new-c++11-abi.html

Thanks!
Interesting, I'm in the middle of a 6.3.0 upgrade on one box due to recurring problems since upgrading from 4.9.4. I have another box that's been running 6.3.0 for half a year without problems. They are two different CPU's, Athlon II (6.3.0) and Kaveri (5.4), both running latest ~amd64 kernel.
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