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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:13 am    Post subject: [post-collapse technology] Collapse OS Reply with quote

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I expect our global supply chain to collapse before we reach 2030. With this collapse, we won't be able to produce most of our electronics because it depends on a very complex supply chain that we won't be able to achieve again for decades (ever?).

The fast rate of progress we've seen since the advent of electronics happened in very specific conditions that won't be there post-collapse, so we can't hope to be able to bootstrap new electronic technology as fast as we did without a good "starter kit" to help us do so.

Electronics yield enormous power, a power that will give significant advantages to communities that manage to continue mastering it. This will usher a new age of scavenger electronics: parts can't be manufactured any more, but we have billions of parts lying around. Those who can manage to create new designs from those parts with low-tech tools will be very powerful.

Among these scavenged parts are microcontrollers, which are especially powerful but need complex tools (often computers) to program them. Computers, after a couple of decades, will break down beyond repair and we won't be able to program microcontrollers any more.

To avoid this fate, we need to have a system that can be designed from scavenged parts and program microcontrollers. We also need the generation of engineers that will follow us to be able to create new designs instead of inheriting a legacy of machines that they can't recreate and barely maintain.

This is where Collapse OS comes in.


just in case shit happens i leave a linky here for your information: https://collapseos.org/why.html
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If collapse on such scale happens no one will give a damn shit about this high tech wizardy any longer, people will run wild, form gangs and rob each other.
I think such post apocalyptic views of computers (like in fallout) are very naive, programming and high tech can have the most use only in properly functioning highly developed society, otherwise without the internet and proper infrastructure the computer will be just a very fancy version of a notebook or a calculator. The good old paper will be superior cuz it requires no electricity.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

etnull wrote:
If collapse on such scale happens no one will give a damn shit about this high tech wizardy any longer, people will run wild, form gangs and rob each other.
I think such post apocalyptic views of computers (like in fallout) are very naive, programming and high tech can have the most use only in properly functioning highly developed society, otherwise without the internet and proper infrastructure the computer will be just a very fancy version of a notebook or a calculator. The good old paper will be superior cuz it requires no electricity.


If society does collapse, I’d rather be in the gang that has microprocessors and a working os.

Anyways - think of the last big collapse - after the Roman Empire fell. It took many centuries, but eventually western civilization was rebuilt with a lot of assistance from saved information.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do we save things like that today?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

patrix_neo wrote:
How do we save things like that today?

wget -r --convert-links https://collapseos.org/
git clone https://github.com/hsoft/collapseos.git
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still needs a medium, right?...as I would say, sounding like a smart-a**.
Whatever, the plan to put links on a floppy disk just doesn't bring me any comfort.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The gang with microprocessors will have robotic dogs like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BlYq3jO6xw

Of course banana will disappear in a total collapse event and will not be a problem.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Morons. Where are you going to get electricity after the SHTF scenario?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy: hand grenerators
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

erm67 wrote:
Easy: hand grenerators


:lol: :lol: :lol:
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

erm67 wrote:
The gang with microprocessors will have robotic dogs like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BlYq3jO6xw

Of course banana will disappear in a total collapse event and will not be a problem.

disposable humans are much cheaper than disposable robots
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On a serious note, we need to start mining the asteroid belt as soon as possible. There are rocks out there that have more value than the GDP of the entire planet.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robots aren't cheap
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

After the collapse, the eventual survivors will be vaccinated against the industrial civilization. And anyway, they will have a very basic and existential issue to solve: how to get food on a dead planet.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

patrix_neo wrote:
Robots aren't cheap

They are getting pretty cheap: https://www.mecademic.com/products/Meca500-small-robot-arm

Now, robots that can survive a radiation environment, that's a different story.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

richk449 wrote:
patrix_neo wrote:
Robots aren't cheap

They are getting pretty cheap: https://www.mecademic.com/products/Meca500-small-robot-arm

Now, robots that can survive a radiation environment, that's a different story.


But who will pay for them if there are only robots around....oh, wait
Sheldons wheat dream is about to come true.
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