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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 11:11 pm    Post subject: Is it true? "Why did Gentoo Linux fade into obscurity?& Reply with quote

Hi

Detected through this thread:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/syndicated-linux-news-67/lxer-why-did-gentoo-linux-fade-into-obscurity-4175587682/

Original article:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/3109830/linux/why-did-gentoo-linux-fade-into-obscurity.html

What do you think?
I have other questions / challenges related to this theme.

The second part of the post (of the article - not of the linuxquestions-thread) is especially bad:
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Speaking of Gentoo Linux, DistroWatch has a full review of the Gentoo Linux live DVD "Choice Edition" and found that it still has much to offer users who want control of their Linux systems.

Reading the contents of the article, I don't even think that the title has any connection to the contents of the article.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moved from Other Things Gentoo to Gentoo Chat.

Every few years we get a thread like this. They continue for 6 to 18 months then go dormant.
Rather than attaching this post to one of the old dead ones, its time for a new thread.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 2:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Is it true? "Why did Gentoo Linux fade into obscuri Reply with quote

Pearlseattle wrote:

Reading the contents of the article, I don't even think that the title has any connection to the contents of the article.


Hi,

it's the age of clickbait articles,

what do you expect ?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Better question: why did yellow journalism sites like Infoworld fade into obscurity? :D
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When something pass between Gentoo and the sun, it create an obscurity, a Gentoo or a sun eclipse, depending on where you are.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read this a few days ago. Gentoo does present challenges from time to time, but really I've never had any real major issues in the 12+ years I've been running Gentoo on my machines. Especially once the machine is up and running and configured. I really don't spend much time at all tinkering with things once things are up and running.

One point they bring up that does have merit is when the Gentoo Wiki crashed permanently. That was a sad day, and a huge wealth of information was lost. I even donated to the developers in the hope that it would come back, but it never did. A new wiki exists now, but the old was was lost forever. These days it's the Arch linux wiki that I end up on to look up technical details.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 7:37 pm    Post subject: Why did Gentoo Linux fade into obscurity? Reply with quote

This popped up in my news feed so I figured I would post it here.

Why did Gentoo Linux fade into obscurity?

Some of the comments are kind of daft, like the comment on the USE flags. Packages are different so flags will be different, unless he was talking about flags with different names toggling the same functionality.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Attention span... lack thereof
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice round up of some decent opinion. Also, the DVD review was good.

I have a relatively new Toshiba laptop that's collecting dust, I think I might just put Gentoo on it. Will have to use the ISO on a USB dongle, as the laptop has no optical drive.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the soul did go away...btw, nice topic!
The Dave, or some, was fed up. He even entered the dark side (MS).

But, wow. What a person.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

patrix_neo wrote:
I think the soul did go away...btw, nice topic!
The Dave, or some, was fed up. He even entered the dark side (MS).

But, wow. What a person.


Daniel Robbins?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Muso wrote:
patrix_neo wrote:
I think the soul did go away...btw, nice topic!
The Dave, or some, was fed up. He even entered the dark side (MS).

But, wow. What a person.


Daniel Robbins?


Sounds familiar, I cannot tell that is the stone hard truth.
Whatever his name...wait not a her?...ok...what ever his name, what he did was really good. Sucked the power from debian/BSD (portage) and made it better.
Now...I do not know so much. Gentoo do well though. Really well, in my book.
{edit} Not so hardcore now. I did like the past, when you could make a thoughtfull and very nice input. Now even a fart gets a recon. I call the PC police.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Merged above 6 posts from a thread in Off the Wall. I apologize in advance if this has caused any OTW denizens to burst into flames.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John R. Graham wrote:
Merged above 6 posts from a thread in Off the Wall. I apologize in advance if this has caused any OTW denizens to burst into flames.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

energyman76b wrote:
John R. Graham wrote:
Merged above 6 posts from a thread in Off the Wall. I apologize in advance if this has caused any OTW denizens to burst into flames.

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This determine it to be in another thread, completely
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hard to "fade into obscurity" when you never really went into the spotlight.

Gentoo never was, never will be (I hope) and certainly isn't right now a "mainstream distribution".

Installing Gentoo is NOT easy. I like to say installing Gentoo for the first time is a very good Linux class. You learn the nuts and bolts of how a Linux OS is built, because you build it from the ground up. By the time you get it booting with network, if you'd never done it before, you've usually learned a lot.

It's all about "what can I learn to tweak without breaking my system" and "how does this work?".

It's also a very good multi-tool, if you know how to use it. With many distributions dropping support for older hardware (an understandable, if annoying move) in the default kernel, knowing how to compile your own kernel becomes a useful skill ability again, making gentoo, surprisingly, a good fit for slightly older hardware. Ok, this is one of those "I never imagined I'd say this one day" kind of moments.

At least, that's my experience. YMMD.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2016 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

However the feeling of this so called 'fading into obscurity' can easily be interpreted as signs of a dying distro by newcomers. I've been using Gentoo quite some time now (a few months), i love it and did a lot of reading to understand Gentoo (ok I still don't know jack) and even I had this feeling of 'abandonment'. I know this sounds a bit theatrical but I can imagine this might cause some people to skip this one in favor of a more lively distro.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking at the "visitors online" counter at the bottom of the root page of these forums I have the feeling that more people are using Gentoo in the last half a year or so: where last year the number used to be around 250, nowadays it seems to be between 400-500, at one time last month it was well above 700.

It would be interesting to see the progression of these numbers over time; does anyone know if they are recorded?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as I see it gentoo is very much a distribution for "the dedicated". You either love it or install another os within a day or two. I'm fine with that.
Gentoo will only ever appeal to people who really care what's on their harddrives. Investing 4(+) hours installing libreoffice on a single computer requires the user to be of a different mindset than simply "get it up and running".
That said I heavily doubt gentoo is falling into obscurity. Simply retracting into its own niche (as meant to be) ;)
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dlaor wrote:
Looking at the "visitors online" counter at the bottom of the root page of these forums I have the feeling that more people are using Gentoo in the last half a year or so: where last year the number used to be around 250, nowadays it seems to be between 400-500, at one time last month it was well above 700.

It would be interesting to see the progression of these numbers over time; does anyone know if they are recorded?



"In total there are 470 users online :: 5 Registered, 4 Hidden and 461 Guests"

But why most of them are guest?
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I think guest is anyone who is not currently logged in. Some users might log in only when they want to post, in which case they would often be reported as a guest even if they are a longtime and valuable community member. This could be especially the case for people who contribute to Gentoo without being active forum participants. Some developers rarely post to the forums, even if they are frequently active working on the Portage tree or other important aspects of Gentoo. They might choose not to bother logging in if they only want to read what is being said, but do not expect to post responses.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back in 2003 when I first started using Gentoo, it hovered around in the top 5 on distrowatch. I know that Distrowatch is not the best gauge of popularity, but it's really the best we have. These days its normally down in the 30's.

So it would seem that its much less popular these days than when it was new and 'fresh'. Doesn't bother me, its still a great OS.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No distro has so much choice coupled with a superb package manager.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PseudoKrazy wrote:
Back in 2003 when I first started using Gentoo, it hovered around in the top 5 on distrowatch. I know that Distrowatch is not the best gauge of popularity, but it's really the best we have. These days its normally down in the 30's.

So it would seem that its much less popular these days than when it was new and 'fresh'. Doesn't bother me, its still a great OS.


Distrowatch probably counts clicks? Gentoo users have no business at Distrowatch, but I guess you can start a campaign: everybody go and click. :P
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buffoon wrote:
PseudoKrazy wrote:
Back in 2003 when I first started using Gentoo, it hovered around in the top 5 on distrowatch. I know that Distrowatch is not the best gauge of popularity, but it's really the best we have. These days its normally down in the 30's.

So it would seem that its much less popular these days than when it was new and 'fresh'. Doesn't bother me, its still a great OS.


Distrowatch probably counts clicks? Gentoo users have no business at Distrowatch, but I guess you can start a campaign: everybody go and click. :P

Wouldn't be the first time: Anyone else see this on DistroWatch? Gentoo Cheater...
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