Staying with KDE-4

asturm · Developer Joined: 05 Apr 2007 Posts: 8935

You will need to remove kdebase-meta and kde-meta, if present, also drop some of your bulk masks of kde-frameworks and kde-plasma, because yes, kde-plasma/kactivitymanagerd is now required.

See revised Plasma 4 guide: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/KDE#Plasma_4

IceSunrise · Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:33 am Post subject:

I indeed had kde-apps/kdebase-meta package installed and it's removed now. No kde-apps/kde-meta in the system either.
kdebase-startkde package is present:

IceSunrise · Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:55 am Post subject:

I have a feeling the problem might be related to the latest commit to kactivitymanagerd ebuild: https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/kde-plasma/kactivitymanagerd

asturm · Developer Joined: 05 Apr 2007 Posts: 8935

repeating myself...

IceSunrise · Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 2:08 pm Post subject:

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IceSunrise · Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 3:17 pm Post subject:

asturm · Developer Joined: 05 Apr 2007 Posts: 8935

These Qt5 and Frameworks packages will need to be installed on your system anyway since legacy kdelibs-4 packages have left the tree wherever there is a stable slot 5 upgrade available. It's just another framework like gtk+ that may as well be already present on your system.

IceSunrise · Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:42 am Post subject:

I've installed all the required packages and everything seems to be working fine now.
I just want to leave a short description here of what I had to do in case someone stumbles on the same problem as me.

Here is what I have in my package.mask:

tomtom69 · Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 1:16 pm Post subject:

If I remove all kde5 mask entries mentioned above emerge also would be able to update my KDE4 system. However besides the mentioned packages some more applications get pulled in (e.g. konsole-15.12.3, kate-15.12.3).
The mask entries were definitely needed some time ago to be able to update the system (due to many unresolvable blocks), but this seems not to be the case at this moment.
Is there a drawback if I drop all the mask entries and allow emerge to update to the newer kde apps while still staying with KDE4?

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IceSunrise · Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 1:55 pm Post subject:

Fitzcarraldo · Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 3:38 pm Post subject:

DurianCakes · n00b Joined: 09 Jul 2016 Posts: 9

The kactivitymanagerd renaming really has been quite an adventure. It took me a while to figure out what was going on. I had a package.mask file that looked similar to what other users have in this thread.

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proteusx · Guru Joined: 21 Jan 2008 Posts: 338

On Monday I made the mistake to upgrade to plasma 5.
Here is the result.
Tomorrow I will attempt to resuscitate kde-4.

marax_faraii · n00b Joined: 11 Apr 2016 Posts: 40

Sadly I did the same blunder too. Worst part is that I upgraded to plasma 5 when it's was announced that that kde4 has reached EOL. When the upgrade was completed I was like LOL and WTF!

And this time as well I kinda went LOL, WTF and REALLY??? Plasma 5 is nowhere near ready for production use and IMO it's way too soon to push users over to it.

Now I'm back once again to KDE4, still some snags here and there. Was much easier the first time.

For instance, I can't seem to have Dolphin installed at the same time as kmail as kmail depends on "kde-base/baloo" and dolphin wants "kde-frameworks/baloo"

I'll rather be without Dolphin as I always use krusader anyhow

asturm · Developer Joined: 05 Apr 2007 Posts: 8935

tomtom69 · Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 6:34 pm Post subject:

I tried the same as IceSunrise. However the dependency bug of kactivities (https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=585044) also hit me. I emerged kcmutils, and at the end I got at least a working KDE4, but with mixed language (the bug report says it removes kde4-l10n), which is also no solution. Emerging the newer konsole and kate even made it worse, including the lack of session restoration in konsole.
Lucky me I had a 1 week old system backup, so I could restore previous system state, where I am stuck now.
My parallel plasma test installation only starts when I restart sddm (kwin ist segfaulting), and including all the other bugs (various crashes, not working session restoration) it is also not usable for a primary and gentoo-only family machine installation.
I used KDE since version 2, but never experienced something like that. I think that it is time to change. Where do others go who need a stable system and do not want to spend many hours just for staying with KDE? LXDE?
(sorry for the rant, but today I again spent hours ending up where I was before updating)

asturm · Developer Joined: 05 Apr 2007 Posts: 8935

kcmutils and kdeclarative are bogus deps in kactivites-workspace upstream, the ebuild was fixed to remove those from the build system.

tomtom69: Did you try Plasma-5.5.5 or 5.6.5? Because the latter should work fine wrt session restore (Qt-5.6.1 brought the fix). Localisation was always going to be a problem, trying to support all the combinations of workspaces and applications was bound to fall short someplace. There's still kde4-l10n-15.12.3 which, using USE=-minimal, will contain Plasma-4 localisation but ultimately blocks Frameworks and Plasma. Also crashes, if you got a setup that got those with 5.5.5 it would be worth to try out 5.6.5.

gerard27 · Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 7:27 pm Post subject:

Does anyone know of a DE/WM that has "Lock/Unlock Widgets"?
AFAIK KDE is the only one!
It first appeared in kde-4.2 or 4,3 I am not sure.
At that time we kde aficionado's had all kinds of problems.
Similar to now. kde-3.5.10 was stable and running fine.
Then the kde devs decided it wasn't good enough.
Lots of new (and very good) things were introduced.
However you were forced to switch before it was ready, like now.
At one time I remember having come up with a trick that essentially worked like locl/unlock.
After making changes to settings I made the relevant conf files ro.
This way things remained where they should be after a reboot.
For the time being I leave kde-4 alone.

As I stated in an earlier post ,I have a kde-5 install on a separate partition.
What happens regularly is that after a visit to tty1..6 when I return, the panel is black..
Only a reboot brings it back.The widgets are still there but I can't see black on black.
There certainly are things I like about kde-5 but ready for prime time it's nor.
Gerard.
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