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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I wonder how much penetration systemd has in the big-server space. I strongly suspect that most - conservative - IT staffs are not in a hurry to make that move, except with an experimental pool.
Totally. I keep saying that, unless something radically changes in the meantime, the shit will start hitting the fan when the EOL for RHEL and CentOS 6 starts approaching. I have to think that a lot of IT people who know what a good Linux server is aren't gonna sit still for systemd at all.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I keep saying that, unless something radically changes in the meantime, the shit will start hitting the fan when the EOL for RHEL and CentOS 6 starts approaching.
I wonder if Devuan can be installed (or rather upgraded to by changing the repository URLs) in place of old Debian, just like a drop-in replacement and then continue from there. If that's the case, I see many (maybe not majority) Debian servers just moving to Devuan. But first it has to make more coverage as a real alternative to Debian.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zucca wrote:
I wonder if Devuan can be installed (or rather upgraded to by changing the repository URLs) in place of old Debian, just like a drop-in replacement and then continue from there.

Yes it can be done, i migrated one system this way.

https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/Upgrade-to-Devuan
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zucca wrote:
I wonder if Devuan can be installed (or rather upgraded to by changing the repository URLs) in place of old Debian, just like a drop-in replacement and then continue from there.

that's exactly how it is. wheezy and jessie are devuan supported, with a simple straightforward update/upgrade after changing repos. after all, it was (still is?) debian.

http://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/devuan-talk-version
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well. There you have it. :D
I think it's an obvious choice for servers at least.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zucca wrote:
Well. There you have it. :D
I think it's an obvious choice for servers at least.


exactly, I replaced a Raspbian wheezy on a Raspberry 2 to Devuan shortly
before the offical 1.0 release. went through without a hitch. only had to
remove a couple of services I dont need on the raspi.
indeed quite happy with the result after about a fortnight uptime :)
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While not related to systemd specifically, I've always managed to also avoid dbus whenever possible, specifically on my MythTV machines (https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=580856). I was sort of pissed off when I discovered that as of x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-381.x dbus is required in order to have nvidia-settings (the tools USE flag)...ffs. I realized that I couldn't remember the last time I actually used that, so I just went with -tools. I'm glad they at least have nvidia-smi, which is a great light weight cli tool...so I'll give them that at least. I actually use that in a background script that monitors by GPU temperature to alert me in case my GPU fan starts going (has happened a few times). Not a good trend though.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dbus hal *kit et al remnants of microsoft halloween strategy to infiltrate and destroy linux from the inside. microsoft's war against linux is puportedly over, and they join the linux foundation and start their own linux distributions :o
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Locked in favour of The Politics of systemd Part 3
Please continue there.

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