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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 2:33 pm    Post subject: Update is trying to pull down an old kernel? Reply with quote

I synchronized my laptop today and attempted to update and noticed that despite me running kernel 3.18.16, it wants to bring in 3.14.48. Why? It doesn't appear to be a dependency and I only have my kernel installed. I will go to kernel 4 once all the bugs (mainly ALSA bugs for my systems) are fixed.
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~ $ sudo emerge -avuND --tree --with-bdeps=y @world

These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[nomerge       ] kde-apps/kdenetwork-meta-4.14.3:4::gentoo  USE="(-aqua) -ppp"
[nomerge       ]  kde-apps/krdc-4.14.3:4/4.14::gentoo  USE="handbook jpeg rdesktop zeroconf (-aqua) -debug -telepathy -vnc"
[ebuild     U  ]   net-misc/freerdp-1.2.1_pre20150326-r1:0/1.2::gentoo [1.2.1_pre20150326:0/1.2::gentoo] USE="X alsa client cups ffmpeg gstreamer jpeg smartcard usb xinerama xv -debug -doc (-libressl) (-neon) -pulseaudio -server {-test} -wayland" CPU_FLAGS_X86="sse2" 0 KiB
[nomerge       ] sys-fs/btrfs-progs-4.0.1::gentoo  USE="convert"
[nomerge       ]  app-text/asciidoc-8.6.9-r1::gentoo  USE="graphviz -examples -highlight {-test} -vim-syntax" PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="python2_7 (-pypy)" PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7 (-pypy)"
[ebuild     U  ]   media-gfx/graphviz-2.38.0-r1::gentoo [2.26.3-r4::gentoo] USE="X%* cairo nls pdf%* postscript%* python qt4%* svg%* -devil% -doc -examples -gdk-pixbuf% -gtk -gts% -guile% -java -lasi -perl -ruby -static-libs -tcl" PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7%*" 25,244 KiB
[nomerge       ] kde-apps/kdegames-meta-4.14.3:4::gentoo  USE="opengl python (-aqua)"
[nomerge       ]  kde-apps/kajongg-4.14.3:4/4.14::gentoo  USE="handbook (-aqua) -debug" PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7"
[nomerge       ]   dev-python/twisted-core-13.2.0::gentoo  USE="crypt -gtk -serial" PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7"
[nomerge       ]    dev-python/pyopenssl-0.14::gentoo  USE="-doc -examples" PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7 (-pypy) -python3_3 -python3_4"
[ebuild     U  ]     dev-python/cryptography-1.0.2::gentoo [0.9.3::gentoo] USE="(-libressl) {-test}" PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7 (-pypy) -python3_3 -python3_4" 326 KiB
[ebuild     U  ] www-client/firefox-38.3.0::gentoo [38.2.1::gentoo] USE="dbus gmp-autoupdate gstreamer jemalloc3 jit minimal startup-notification system-cairo system-icu system-jpeg system-libvpx wifi -bindist -custom-cflags -custom-optimization -debug -egl -gstreamer-0 -hardened (-neon) (-pgo) -pulseaudio (-selinux) -system-sqlite {-test}" LINGUAS="-af -ar -as -ast -be -bg -bn_BD -bn_IN -br -bs -ca -cs -cy -da -de -el -en_GB -en_ZA -eo -es_AR -es_CL -es_ES -es_MX -et -eu -fa -fi -fr -fy_NL -ga_IE -gd -gl -gu_IN -he -hi_IN -hr -hu -hy_AM -id -is -it -ja -kk -km -kn -ko -lt -lv -mai -mk -ml -mr -nb_NO -nl -nn_NO -or -pa_IN -pl -pt_BR -pt_PT -rm -ro -ru -si -sk -sl -son -sq -sr -sv_SE -ta -te -th -tr -uk -vi -xh -zh_CN -zh_TW" 177,151 KiB
[ebuild     U  ] mail-client/thunderbird-38.3.0::gentoo [38.2.0::gentoo] USE="bindist crypt dbus gstreamer jemalloc3 jit ldap minimal startup-notification system-cairo system-icu system-jpeg system-libvpx -custom-cflags -custom-optimization -debug -gstreamer-0 -hardened -lightning -mozdom -pulseaudio (-selinux) -system-sqlite" LINGUAS="-ar -ast -be -bg -bn_BD -br -ca -cs -cy -da -de -el -en_GB -es_AR -es_ES -et -eu -fi -fr -fy_NL -ga_IE -gd -gl -he -hr -hsb -hu -hy_AM -id -is -it -ja -ko -lt -nb_NO -nl -nn_NO -pa_IN -pl -pt_BR -pt_PT -rm -ro -ru -si -sk -sl -sq -sr -sv_SE -ta_LK -tr -uk -vi -zh_CN -zh_TW" 199,572 KiB
[nomerge       ] kde-apps/kdenetwork-meta-4.14.3:4::gentoo  USE="(-aqua) -ppp"
[nomerge       ]  kde-apps/kopete-4.14.3-r1:4/4.14::gentoo  USE="addbookmarks autoreplace contactnotes handbook highlight history latex nowlistening pipes privacy ssl statistics texteffect translator urlpicpreview v4l xmpp zeroconf (-aqua) -debug -gadu -groupwise -jingle -meanwhile -oscar -otr -skype -sms -testbed -webpresence -winpopup -yahoo"
[nomerge       ]   media-libs/phonon-4.7.2::gentoo  USE="designer gstreamer qt4 vlc (-aqua) -debug -pulseaudio -qt5 (-zeitgeist)"
[ebuild     U  ]    dev-util/cmake-3.3.1-r1::gentoo [3.2.2::gentoo] USE="ncurses qt4 -doc -emacs -qt5 -system-jsoncpp {-test}" 6,426 KiB
[nomerge       ] dev-python/cryptography-1.0.2::gentoo [0.9.3::gentoo] USE="(-libressl) {-test}" PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7 (-pypy) -python3_3 -python3_4"
[ebuild     U  ]  dev-python/pyasn1-0.1.8::gentoo [0.1.7::gentoo] USE="-doc" PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7 (-pypy) (-pypy3) -python3_3 -python3_4" 74 KiB
[ebuild  NS    ] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.14.48:3.14.48::gentoo [3.18.16:3.18.16::gentoo] USE="-build -deblob -experimental -symlink" 77,557 KiB
[nomerge       ] net-ftp/filezilla-3.12.0.2::gentoo  USE="dbus nls (-aqua) {-test}"
[nomerge       ]  x11-libs/wxGTK-3.0.2.0-r1:3.0::gentoo  USE="X gstreamer libnotify opengl sdl tiff (-aqua) -debug -doc -webkit"
[ebuild     U  ]   media-libs/libpng-1.6.18:0/16::gentoo [1.6.16:0/16::gentoo] USE="apng (-neon) -static-libs" ABI_X86="(64) -32 (-x32)" 921 KiB
[nomerge       ] net-misc/networkmanager-1.0.6::gentoo  USE="bluetooth connection-sharing consolekit dhclient introspection modemmanager ncurses nss ppp resolvconf wext wifi zeroconf -dhcpcd -gnutls (-selinux) -systemd -teamd {-test} -vala" ABI_X86="(64) -32 (-x32)"
[nomerge       ]  net-wireless/wpa_supplicant-2.4-r3::gentoo  USE="dbus gnutls hs2-0 qt4 readline smartcard ssl -ap -eap-sim -fasteap -p2p (-ps3) (-selinux) -tdls -uncommon-eap-types -wimax -wps"
[nomerge       ]   net-wireless/crda-1.1.3-r1::gentoo
[ebuild     U  ]    net-wireless/wireless-regdb-20150925::gentoo [20150605::gentoo] 16 KiB
[nomerge       ] app-text/calibre-1.20::gentoo  USE="udisks"
[nomerge       ]  dev-python/python-dateutil-2.2::gentoo  USE="-examples" PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7 (-pypy) -python3_3 -python3_4"
[ebuild     U  ]   sys-libs/timezone-data-2015f::gentoo [2015e::gentoo] USE="nls -leaps_timezone" 469 KiB
[nomerge       ] sys-devel/gcc-4.9.3:4.9::gentoo  USE="cxx fortran (multilib) nls nptl openmp sanitize (-altivec) (-awt) -cilk -debug -doc (-fixed-point) -gcj -go -graphite (-hardened) (-libssp) (-multislot) -nopie -nossp -objc -objc++ -objc-gc -regression-test -vanilla"
[ebuild     U  ]  dev-libs/mpfr-3.1.3_p4::gentoo [3.1.2_p10::gentoo] USE="-static-libs" ABI_X86="(64) -32 (-x32)" 1,087 KiB
[ebuild     U  ]   dev-libs/gmp-6.0.0a::gentoo [5.1.3-r1::gentoo] USE="cxx -doc -pgo -static-libs" ABI_X86="(64) -32 (-x32)" 1,860 KiB
[nomerge       ] net-wireless/crda-1.1.3-r1::gentoo
[nomerge       ]  dev-python/m2crypto-0.22.3-r4::gentoo  PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7"
[ebuild   R    ]   dev-lang/python-exec-2.0.1-r1:2::gentoo  PYTHON_TARGETS="(jython2_5) (jython2_7) (pypy) (pypy3) (python2_7) (python3_3) (python3_4) (python3_5%*)" 80 KiB

Total: 14 packages (12 upgrades, 1 in new slot, 1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 490,774 KiB

As for kernels...
Code:

~ $ sudo eselect kernel list
Available kernel symlink targets:
  [1]   linux-3.18.16-gentoo *
???@??? ~ $

So why is it pulling 3.14?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 2:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Update is trying to pull down an old kernel? Reply with quote

linux-3.18.16-gentoo has been removed from the tree and presently linux-3.14.48-gentoo is the latest stable kernel 3.
Did you block updating to the EOLd 4.0.5?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, because kernel 4 and ALSA are borked. If I use 4.0.5, I get no sound from my laptop, only external speakers, which I don't carry with me. 3.18.16 was supposed to be an LTS kernel unless I am mistaken. I did not think 3.14 would last beyond next year. This makes things impossible for me.

*UPDATE*

Yes, 3.18 will outlive 3.14, so why was it removed before 3.14? This seems kind of backwards.

Linux Kernel EOL
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about vanilla sources?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The_Great_Sephiroth wrote:
Yes, because kernel 4 and ALSA are borked. If I use 4.0.5, I get no sound from my laptop, only external speakers, which I don't carry with me. 3.18.16 was supposed to be an LTS kernel unless I am mistaken. I did not think 3.14 would last beyond next year. This makes things impossible for me.

No, you can just unmask the latest 3.18.22 gentoo-sources................

Again, there's a disconnect between Upstream and Gentoo stable, we had that topic before.

@tw04l124: vanilla-sources are not stabilised at all.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Code:
# eix gentoo-sources
[I] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources
     Available versions: 
     (3.4.107) (~)3.4.107^bs
     (3.4.108) (~)3.4.108^bs
     (3.4.109) (~)3.4.109^bs
     (3.4.9999) **3.4.9999^bs
     (3.10.82) 3.10.82^bs
     (3.10.87) (~)3.10.87^bs
     (3.10.88) (~)3.10.88^bs
     (3.10.89) (~)3.10.89^bs
     (3.10.90) (~)3.10.90^bs
     (3.12.44) 3.12.44^bs
     (3.12.47) (~)3.12.47^bs
     (3.12.48) (~)3.12.48^bs
     (3.12.9999) **3.12.9999^bs
     (3.14.48) 3.14.48^bs
     (3.14.51) (~)3.14.51^bs
     (3.14.52) (~)3.14.52^bs
     (3.14.53) (~)3.14.53^bs
     (3.14.54) (~)3.14.54^bs
     (3.18.21) (~)3.18.21^bs
     (3.18.22) (~)3.18.22^bs
     (4.0.4) (~)4.0.4^bs
     (4.0.5) 4.0.5^bs
     (4.0.9) (~)4.0.9^bs
     (4.1.6) (~)4.1.6^bs
     (4.1.7) (~)4.1.7^bs
     (4.1.8) (~)4.1.8^bs
     (4.1.9-r1) (~)4.1.9-r1^bs
     (4.2.0) (~)4.2.0^bs
     (4.2.0-r1) (~)4.2.0-r1^bs                                                                           
     (4.2.1) (~)4.2.1^bs                                                                                 
     (4.2.2) (~)4.2.2^bs                                                                                 
     (4.2.3) (~)4.2.3^bs
[....]

Code:
echo "<sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.19" >> /etc/portage/package.accept_keywords
echo ">=sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.19" >> /etc/portage/package.mask
emerge -av gentoo-sources
Should install the latest 3.18.xx sources.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had masked >=sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-4.0. So why isn't 3.18.22 an option? Unstable?

*UPDATE*

Yeah, I see that. I am assuming people are still filing bug reports on it, which makes me nervous. 3.18.16 was stable. Now the latest stable below 4 is 3.14, a step backwards. I am going to stick with 3.18.16 for now and think about this for a bit. I am not wanting to spend ages working on finding a good kernel which works with my hardware when I know this one works. This could be an issue for people with nVidia cards for sure though. Luckily the last kernel the regular nVidia drivers seem to work with is 3.14! Not sure about the cutting-edge cards though.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The_Great_Sephiroth wrote:
Yeah, I see that. I am assuming people are still filing bug reports on it, which makes me nervous. 3.18.16 was stable.

No, nothing that wouldn't be present in 3.18.16 already. https://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=gentoo-sources-3.18&list_id=2932832

Most likely 3.18 just is not stabilised anymore, Gentoo has moved on to 4.x. It is really simple, don't call it 'unstable', but rather 'not stabilised'.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am waiting for the next stable 4.x kernel (OK, not unstable, but the next kernel I don't have to unmask due to bug reports or whatever) so I can see if ALSA works with it then. Once ALSA works I do not believe I will have an issue with it. Somebody told me that kernel 4 had issues with ext4. Can anybody comment on that?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The_Great_Sephiroth wrote:
I am waiting for the next stable 4.x kernel (OK, not unstable, but the next kernel I don't have to unmask due to bug reports or whatever) so I can see if ALSA works with it then. Once ALSA works I do not believe I will have an issue with it. Somebody told me that kernel 4 had issues with ext4. Can anybody comment on that?


I've been using current stable kernel 4.0.5 on my main machines since June, and haven't experienced any issues at all fwiiw.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no reason you have to update a kernel just because portage pulled in a new one. If you are happy with your current one just keep using it.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doc, I tend to pull in newer kernels for security updates and such. It isn't that my old kernel was bad, I just like the security updates I get.
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