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Ryonez
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 3:52 am    Post subject: Server Managment Reply with quote

I'm looking at setting up a server and I've noticed Ubuntu Landscape.

Is there a similar system the can be used with Gentoo?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 12:28 am    Post subject: Re: Server Managment Reply with quote

Ryonez wrote:
I'm looking at setting up a server and I've noticed Ubuntu Landscape.

Is there a similar system the can be used with Gentoo?


webmin + puppet + icinga.

Ubuntu is supported by a commercial company (Canonical) whereas Gentoo isn't. Landscape is a Freemium service - you get the basics for free and then you get to pay for extra features. The Gentoo way is that you get to do it all yourself (with guidance and assistance). Landscape is a great feature but requires infrastructure and so on which Gentoo can't do as a distro without changing a lot.

If you haven't got the time or inclination to get to grips with the packages I mention above and to be honest they are big, complicated packages (although webmin is pretty easy), then go the Ubuntu route: Gentoo is not for you. On the other hand, distros like Gentoo get you into the very basics of computing and Linux and you get to see the fine detail. If you have the time and some patience, one or many Gentoo systems can be extremely rewarding to set up and manage. Nowadays (I've been here a while) I am not scared of anything Linux related - I can repair any distro simply because I know how to install Gentoo. It's worth it but needs some effort.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 11:08 am    Post subject: Re: Server Managment Reply with quote

gerdesj wrote:
Ryonez wrote:
I'm looking at setting up a server and I've noticed Ubuntu Landscape.

Is there a similar system the can be used with Gentoo?


webmin + puppet + icinga.

Ubuntu is supported by a commercial company (Canonical) whereas Gentoo isn't. Landscape is a Freemium service - you get the basics for free and then you get to pay for extra features. The Gentoo way is that you get to do it all yourself (with guidance and assistance). Landscape is a great feature but requires infrastructure and so on which Gentoo can't do as a distro without changing a lot.

If you haven't got the time or inclination to get to grips with the packages I mention above and to be honest they are big, complicated packages (although webmin is pretty easy), then go the Ubuntu route: Gentoo is not for you. On the other hand, distros like Gentoo get you into the very basics of computing and Linux and you get to see the fine detail. If you have the time and some patience, one or many Gentoo systems can be extremely rewarding to set up and manage. Nowadays (I've been here a while) I am not scared of anything Linux related - I can repair any distro simply because I know how to install Gentoo. It's worth it but needs some effort.

Cheers
Jon


Thanks. Time is definitely something I have :)
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ryonez,

For a single server, a Gentoo install is good enough.

Admin tools are only needed with a several servers.
e.g. I have a single physical server in my garage that runs a bare metal, bare minimum hardened Gentoo.
That install runs four KVMs that do the actual work, so that counts as five installs to maintain.

I also have a similar setup on a rented server in a data centre but I've never felt the need for tools to manage these systems.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NeddySeagoon wrote:
Ryonez,

For a single server, a Gentoo install is good enough.

Admin tools are only needed with a several servers.
e.g. I have a single physical server in my garage that runs a bare metal, bare minimum hardened Gentoo.
That install runs four KVMs that do the actual work, so that counts as five installs to maintain.

I also have a similar setup on a rented server in a data centre but I've never felt the need for tools to manage these systems.


Just saw your post :)

Thanks for the input. That server must have some decent specs to it.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ryonez,

The server in my Garage is a HP Gen 7 Microserver.
It has 8G RAM, and 2Tb x 5 WD Greens in raid5.
Code:
# cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor   : 0
vendor_id   : AuthenticAMD
cpu family   : 16
model      : 6
model name   : AMD Athlon(tm) II Neo N36L Dual-Core Processor
stepping   : 3
microcode   : 0x10000c8
cpu MHz      : 800.000
cache size   : 1024 KB

The KVMs are a mailserver, router, mediaserver (hence the HDD space) and one or two KVMs to play with.
Right now, the CPU is running at 800MHz as its not busy.

The mail server also runs my rsync server for the portage tree and http-replicator so I only fetch things once.
The router runs a fairly paranoid shorewall setup. Nothing is allowed anywhere unless its explicitly permitted.
The media server has about 1500 DVDs on it ... all in a box about a foot cube.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NeddySeagoon wrote:
Ryonez,

The server in my Garage is a HP Gen 7 Microserver.
It has 8G RAM, and 2Tb x 5 WD Greens in raid5.
Code:
# cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor   : 0
vendor_id   : AuthenticAMD
cpu family   : 16
model      : 6
model name   : AMD Athlon(tm) II Neo N36L Dual-Core Processor
stepping   : 3
microcode   : 0x10000c8
cpu MHz      : 800.000
cache size   : 1024 KB

The KVMs are a mailserver, router, mediaserver (hence the HDD space) and one or two KVMs to play with.
Right now, the CPU is running at 800MHz as its not busy.

The mail server also runs my rsync server for the portage tree and http-replicator so I only fetch things once.
The router runs a fairly paranoid shorewall setup. Nothing is allowed anywhere unless its explicitly permitted.
The media server has about 1500 DVDs on it ... all in a box about a foot cube.


Thank you for sharing. That server looks awesome :)
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