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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 1:44 am    Post subject: why so many control-center applications on Linux Reply with quote

Every DE has its own control-center, just name a few:
gnome-base/gnome-control-center
cinnamon-base/cinnamon-control-center
xfce4-base/xfce4-settings
unity-base/unity-control-center
kde-base/kcontrol

I don't find any concrete difference between them.
Then why every DE bothers to develop its own version of control-center? I don't think NIH syndrome is the explanation.

Something even more strange to me:
SUSE Linux uses YaST as an additional control center. SUSE users must use YaST and gnome-control-center simultaneously.
I think SUSE should replace gnome-control-center with YaST if they think YaST is better.
Mageia Linux does the same, it has Mageia Control Center as an addition.
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't that like asking why there are so many DEs and WMs in Linux? ;)
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

genstorm wrote:
Isn't that like asking why there are so many DEs and WMs in Linux? ;)

And Distributions! ;)
And every single one uses a different combination of packaging tools, config/fs layout, init system, default DE (Which dictates which Toolkit to use ;))

The problem with DEs is they want to look "integrated", which means all the applications they offer obey the same style guide. And quite often the DE users are quite - well - bitchy concerning other DEs and the tools they offer. Gnome users often hate Kde, Kde users often hate Gnome, "Lightweight DE X" users hate how non-lightweight are other DEs, and so on ;)
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I, for example, run KDE and would have to use the gnome control-panel. Then I'd have to install a whole bunch of extra (gnome) libraries. DE's also use different API's to do things.
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't worry.
In the future you'll have 3 choices for your desktop:
Windows,MacOS and RedHat with systemd and Gnome.
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish some config files would work as they used to.

Those guis only revealed only a subset of possible configurations. it used to be for gnome 2 ...

From someone who grew up with MSDOS a config file is the only choice. For those who came after me it has to be a shiny gui with big buttons. => e.g. winzip for windows used to be such a fabolous software in this regard.

Really annoying is that recently xscreensaver locks my screen regardless of my actions. Even those text config files fails sometimes xscreensaver -> i3wm <= fail !

Suse 6.2 was kinda useable. I tried to install Suse half a year ago and half of my notebook hardware on two different types of notebooks were not recognized or worked. Yast is kinda old app but regardless the installer fails and the documentations are poor in my opinion.
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2015 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But I think it's natural to create a general-control-center application, which supports themes, has multiple backends(xfconf, gsettings).
So every DE/distro can use this unified control-center.
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2015 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never used a GUI control center, I recommend a universal control center - it is vim for me (maybe nano or emacs or even ed for you). Works every time, controls any application, no restrictions, works in xterm or in console. Simple things should be kept simple. Less headache.
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2015 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is almost like someone needs to set a standard! :lol:
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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2015 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes the new standard is the new systemd-controld :lol:
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2015 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jaglover wrote:
Simple things should be kept simple. Less headache.

++

Though, I do rather like kcontrol, as it seems natural to use a GUI to configure the DE-specific aspects.
And I must admit to a soft spot for Mandrake's *drake suite (eg diskdrake is lovely) which I never even knew was GTK til many years later (was running KDE on it, which ISTR was default for Mandrake.)

But plaintext configs are definitely the best approach overall.
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