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Ant P.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:58 pm    Post subject: Enlightenment 19 is horrible, looking for replacement Reply with quote

I've skipped E18 entirely because of the above reason (and a ton of other bugs).

I assumed it's time to upgrade from E17 because someone dropped a very large hint in the form of a git ebuild in ~x86, unmasked(!), which I got prompted to install the other day. So I went and opted for the slightly more "stable" 0.19.4. I thought they'd have fixed everything wrong with E18 after a few years. Nope.

Now everything is slightly worse than before. The tiling plugin feels like someone at GNOME designed it; it has a help button that opens an (apparently vandalized and left for dead?) wiki page of gibberish and random pictures. The systray doesn't actually work until I go in its settings and enable support for X11 systray icons, because that's off by default (???). OpenGL compositing doesn't render properly on my netbook (i965), software compositing makes my media player stutter (1-2s gaps) when I scroll a window, and the option for no compositing is gone entirely. I could go on but it's pretty clear: this garbage should never have been released, put in the tree and definitely not unmasked.

Where do I go from here? E17 is gradually bitrotting and I wouldn't be surprised if it disappears from the tree entirely soon.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have a computer with much calculating power, you can use e.g. xfce.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm very happy with lxde. Similar to xfce, but lighter. Uses openbox.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hm, yeah I've used both of those. They're not bad.

I like being able to set up key/mouse bindings for absolutely everything though; so far the only things I know of that offer that are E or Compiz... (KDE's isn't half as flexible)
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

xmodmap and bash scripts autostarted? Very simple to do and portable.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

xmodmap doesn't give me control over WM actions though.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ant P. wrote:
xmodmap doesn't give me control over WM actions though.


xmodmap gives you control over bindings.

wmctrl gives you control over the windows.

Anything else, needs to be scripted, and if the wm doesn't has a builtin support for scripting then you are going to have to resort to anything outside such as bash, perl or whatever.

I am curious as to what exactly are you talking about though. Kwin and openbox are both quite powerful when it comes to bind keys (kwin at least used to be that way, it's been long since the last time I used it for more than five minutes, admittedly). Only second to fvwm and wms such as awesome, which has embedded lua support.

I am not saying that compiz is in the low range regarding key bindings, but it's certainly not awesome nor fvwm, and I doubt it offers any more configurability than openbox. It has a nice GUI to reach the config though.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KDE4 has some long-standing issues with key combinations, there's no way to say "alt+mouse5 = move window to workspace" for example. I don't know if Qt5 handles them any better.

wmctrl does a lot more than I thought it did, and I've already got it installed... so maybe openbox is an option too.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see.

Fvwm can do that without external tools of any kind.

Awesome, xmonad and probably many other tiling wms should also be able to do that by themselves.

I am not sure though about openbox. I may look into it later just out of curiosity.
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