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Should OTW return?
yes
30%
 30%  [ 10 ]
no
45%
 45%  [ 15 ]
no because redhat
3%
 3%  [ 1 ]
yes because redhat
3%
 3%  [ 1 ]
bad actors
3%
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small number of deplorables
0%
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ban me
15%
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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2024 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I assume the DNS entry was one problem, probably costed too much to maintain it with only a few people using it and no ad revenue?

I do wonder how much DNS lookups cost for a site like that Or even gentoo.org. Some registrars count how many lookups you get and the more lookups the higher your fee is. Can't win.
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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2024 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Do any of you know what happened?

If I told you that, Neddy would shoot me ... or rather ... us. ;-)
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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2024 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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turtles wrote:
Do any of you know what happened?

If I told you that, Neddy would shoot me ... or rather ... us. ;-)


But the taste of knowledge is so good. Worth it ;).
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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2024 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I also read in OTW ... there were some interesting discussions ... but also very rude manners. Nothing that I would like to moderate. I was initially against closing OTW because I was afraid that it would spread to other areas of the forum. Fortunately, this did not happen.


That didn't happen because OTW went down slowly. Users had time to get used to the idea and set up OTW20.com

There was notice of it going read only, then a month after that it was hidden from normal users.
In the interests of full disclosure, there is a "delete this forum button" but its never been tested and nobody wanted to try it on the live database :)

I've been trying to word this without naming any names ...
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Do any of you know what happened?

OTW20.com had a dynamic IP. Updating the DNS record when it changed was a manual task.
Whoever did that had an attack of real life. The IP changed one day and OTW20.com failed to resolve, so OTW20.com was gone.
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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2024 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pietinger wrote:

There is a point to the rule in English pubs: No politics - no religion ... and in some even the rule: No politics - no religion - no football.


:-?
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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2024 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's the offensive speech some people use to belittle people who do not agree with their opinion whether it be sports, politics, or religion.


Like what?
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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2024 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrbassie,

Respondents quoting that, from memory or the wayback machine, may go the same way as OTW.

Be careful how you respond.
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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2024 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If we can blame RedHat, want don't we blame systemd? After all, when OTW is back again it will be a matter of time before systemd-otwd will be written and it's existence will start a flamewar on OTW ;-)

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I think "Off The Wall" chat should stay on its own domain, to avoid pointless discussions, and to ensure it stays free from censorship and contente moderation.

I think this is a very good suggestion.
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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2024 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I remember, Off the Wall was in practice a public chatroom that a small group of regulars used for talking to each other. I think at most two of them posted elsewhere, and the majority seemed to no longer be Gentoo users. I think I saw more people in OTW 2.0 than in the original one.

Personally, I wasn't bothered by OTW's existence. To me, it was just an odd corner of the forums. I used to read the threads for entertainment, but would never think of posting there. I'm not interested in policing something I don't use, so I wouldn't have thought of reporting OTW posts either.

But OTW has close to zero chance of ever coming back, regardless of any poll.
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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2024 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like we need a otw30.com
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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2024 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

turtles wrote:
Sounds like we need a otw30.com

we'll talk about that in 6 years...
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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2024 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OTW had value only here. Once separated, it's value was zero, and in order to grow, it had to forget about its kinship. Instead, the train refused to move beyond the blue yonder, and faded into obscure.
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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2024 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NeddySeagoon wrote:
mrbassie,

Respondents quoting that, from memory or the wayback machine, may go the same way as OTW.

Be careful how you respond.


I wasn't asking for a quote ned, I'd love a theoretical as to how saying something negative e.g about west bromwich albion could in anyway be construed to be offensive.
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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2024 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrbassie,

These things rapidly turn from discussion on the subject (west bromwich albion), to attacks on the subject to personal attacks on the posters.
The root cause is that its all a matter of opinion. There are no facts to cite.

For most posters there are no problems but there are extremests everywhere that discussion in based solely on opinion.
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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2024 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I liked OTW, it served a purpose (if only as a place to drop the posts of ill-mannered repeat offending trolls) and offered some comedic relief - there were some genuinely funny contributors along with the other strange assorted fruits in there.
It was no place for the thin-skinned or easily offended, though, and I suppose there was some risk to hosting it here.

You'll never get it back, for the same reason you'll never see reruns of 'Love Thy Neighbour' or 'til death do us part'.

So I didn't bother voting.

It is what it is.
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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2024 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd settle for girls on top at this point.
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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2024 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NeddySeagoon wrote:
mrbassie,

These things rapidly turn from discussion on the subject (west bromwich albion), to attacks on the subject to personal attacks on the posters.


Typical Villa supporter.
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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2024 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="mrbassie"]
NeddySeagoon wrote:
mrbassie,

These things rapidly turn from discussion on the subject (west bromwich albion), to attacks on the subject to personal attacks on the posters.


Typical villa.
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2024 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From Turtle's link to the waybackmachine.

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Want to talk about Linux issues not related to Gentoo? Or anything else not related to Gentoo? Post it here.


Somehow all of the non-Gentoo linux threads, and threads about various members' projects have been forgotten. Along with many discussions over the years about using various hardware under Linux.

Content and certain camaraderie has left with otw, but, it is what it is.
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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2024 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

flysideways wrote:
Somehow all of the non-Gentoo linux threads, and threads about various members' projects have been forgotten. Along with many discussions over the years about using various hardware under Linux.
That's certainly unfortunate side of OTW closure.

If anyone wants to pull some project or hardware related topic out of OTW, then please make a post here so we can try to dig those up and move to proper subforum.
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2024 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zucca wrote:
flysideways wrote:
Somehow all of the non-Gentoo linux threads, and threads about various members' projects have been forgotten. Along with many discussions over the years about using various hardware under Linux.
That's certainly unfortunate side of OTW closure.

If anyone wants to pull some project or hardware related topic out of OTW, then please make a post here so we can try to dig those up and move to proper subforum.


This leads me to wonder why otw was yeeted to begin with, so talking about politics being like totally toxic omg has been suggested. I can't think of anything I remember that could engender litigation (apart from taking the piss out of greta, conceivably). I'm putting it down to criticism of the direction of the project however. Criticism's which are admittedly above my head.
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This leads me to wonder why otw was yeeted to begin with, so talking about politics being like totally toxic omg has been suggested. I can't think of anything I remember that could engender litigation (apart from taking the piss out of greta, conceivably). I'm putting it down to criticism of the direction of the project however. Criticism's which are admittedly above my head.
Well, as far as we know, someone saw a bunch of people throwing shit at each other and thought it's a bad thing, even though they kept coming back for more.
Translating to English:
Mr (or more likely Mrs) paragon of virtue got offended on behalf of all participants who wouldn't do that themselves, twatter style.
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2024 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This leads me to wonder why otw was yeeted to begin with, so talking about politics being like totally toxic omg has been suggested. I can't think of anything I remember that could engender litigation (apart from taking the piss out of greta, conceivably). I'm putting it down to criticism of the direction of the project however. Criticism's which are admittedly above my head.
Well, as far as we know, someone saw a bunch of people throwing shit at each other and thought it's a bad thing, even though they kept coming back for more.
Translating to English:
Mr (or more likely Mrs) paragon of virtue got offended on behalf of all participants who wouldn't do that themselves, twatter style.


I don't recall seeing anything of the sort.
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2024 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrbassie wrote:
This leads me to wonder why otw was yeeted to begin with, [...]

Here's some reading material.
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2024 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eccerr0r wrote:
I assume the DNS entry was one problem, probably costed too much to maintain it with only a few people using it and no ad revenue?

I do wonder how much DNS lookups cost for a site like that Or even gentoo.org. Some registrars count how many lookups you get and the more lookups the higher your fee is. Can't win.

I think the forum member that was hosting the otw20.com site seemed to suddenly have some kinda life crisis preventing him from being online or wiped and reformatted his life or worse passed away.
All his social medial and other activity has been dark since around July 2023, regrettably I dont think it was a cost issue or he would have responded on reddit or instagram etc.
I tried to reach out to him a few different ways and no response, I hope he is OK.
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