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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:43 pm    Post subject: What in your opinion makes Gentoo a successful project? Reply with quote

Even though Gentoo is not that popular between linux users, the project is really solid. Why ?

I know that maintain a big project like this requires a lot of effort and dedication for years. Is this the "secret" or there is something else?

This probably sounds like silly questions but I really would like to understand what makes Gentoo great.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:23 pm    Post subject: Re: What in your opinion makes Gentoo a successful project?? Reply with quote

feam wrote:
Gentoo is not that popular between linux users

Why do you think so? If you come to this conclusion looking at Distrowatch "page hit ranking" (currently 46), I think that it does not reflect the real picture. As far as I know, Gentoo is popular enough between linux users: the more experienced users are, the more popular Gentoo is among them. A lot of servers run Gentoo; there is a lot of Gentoo-based distros-derivatives. I doubt that there will be 45 distros with so much derivatives...

One of the main reasons for the transition from Windows to Linux is wanting more control over the system. However, some modern trends in Linux contradict this desire. One of my friends said several years ago: "a Linux with systemd starts to be like Android..." Gentoo is one of the few distros that can get rid of systemd. In this sense the transition from a systemd-forced Linux to Gentoo is the next step, after transition from Windows. It's why experienced users like Gentoo more.

I remember that phrase: "Nobody leaves Gentoo. We know you'll be back, just not when :)"
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I understand it so: after feeling the real freedom in Gentoo one will miss this feeling even with more bells and whistles.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why do you think so? If you come to this conclusion looking at Distrowatch "page hit ranking" (currently 46), I think that it does not reflect the real picture. As far as I know, Gentoo is popular enough between linux users: the more experienced users are, the more popular Gentoo is among them.


Its just my perception from a user viewpoint. Besides, there is always much less experienced people than begginers and, if Gentoo is for experienced users, that for itself is enought to make Gentoo less popular, and that is not a bad thing, its just an observation, specially because theres a lot of trully advanced users running other distros.

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A lot of servers run Gentoo; there is a lot of Gentoo-based distros-derivatives. I doubt that there will be 45 distros with so much derivatives...


Yes, and that's the point of my question. How Gentoo became so important so such things exists ? You gave a good point talking about the control and freedom that Gentoo give to its users and that's is probably the trivial answer that I didnt think about before create this topic. Thanks for answering


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

feam wrote:
if Gentoo is for experienced users, that for itself is enought to make Gentoo less popular

I cannot agree with this. Gentoo wasn't my first distro, but I eventually came to it.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

feam,

Gentoo is popular precisely because its not a distro.

Gentoo is the Portage package manager and the ::gentoo ebuild repository.
Everything else is upstream.

Gentoo is a toolkit you use to design and install your own distro.
No two Gentoo installs are alike.

Gentoo has a steep learning curve because as the distro designer, you must make all the decisions that binary distro packagers have already made for their users.
If you come from a binary distro. That can be a bit of a shock.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be careful of measuring "popularity" by some arbitrary nonsense metric like physical media releases, volume of complaints, or some page hit counter website from the early 2000s.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How many people had a BMW first car?


I can see your point know. Thanks for clarify =D

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Gentoo is popular precisely because its not a distro.

Gentoo is the Portage package manager and the ::gentoo ebuild repository.
Everything else is upstream.

Gentoo is a toolkit you use to design and install your own distro.
No two Gentoo installs are alike.

Gentoo has a steep learning curve because as the distro designer, you must make all the decisions that binary distro packagers have already made for their users.
If you come from a binary distro. That can be a bit of a shock.


Mr NeddySeagoon, got it :o :o :o

Thanks for the explanation!

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Be careful of measuring "popularity" by some arbitrary nonsense metric like physical media releases, volume of complaints, or some page hit counter website from the early 2000s.


lol, indeed =P
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NeddySeagoon wrote:
Gentoo is popular precisely because its not a distro.

Gentoo is the Portage package manager and the ::gentoo ebuild repository.
Everything else is upstream.

Gentoo is a toolkit you use to design and install your own distro.
No two Gentoo installs are alike.

Gentoo has a steep learning curve because as the distro designer, you must make all the decisions that binary distro packagers have already made for their users.
If you come from a binary distro. That can be a bit of a shock.
I only sort of understood what was meant by "meta" distro. Other than having to manually configure and install Gentoo when compared to a binary distro, it didn't seem that much different to me. It wasn't until I recently started to try using binaries built from the toolkit that it became more apparent what was meant by such descriptions of Gentoo. I'm still working through what to do with that new understanding.
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