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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

figueroa wrote:
fturco wrote:
but I still wish a collective decision could be made to remove all proprietary software from the official Gentoo repository, from the Gentoo wiki, etc.

So, you want to impose your preferences on all other users. Blech!

Users that want to use evil proprietary software could still use unofficial third-party overlays, or they could even fork Gentoo and create their own lesser distribution. It should be their own problem. In that case it would be quite easy for people like me to ignore their futile efforts. I simply dislike the fact that on Gentoo proprietary software is held in the same regard as free software, despite the former being often malware.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe you should be rolling your own, a la LFS, and quit trying to evangelize the rest of us.

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I agree with you in principle as long as your principles don't make it difficult for me to maintain a desktop system that is useful to do the work that desktop computers were meant to do. I wish my hardware didn't need a proprietary blob or two and so forth, but I think Gentoo has the right balance and freedom of choices, without making those choices difficult.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because Ubuntu is too hard to install!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BANANMANX47 wrote:
Because Ubuntu is too hard to install!

Because Ubuntoo is too hard to get right.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Linux Mint / Cinnamon did a decent job of it back in 2012 with version 13 / Maya, but I only used it briefly in a couple of VMs.

Somewhat amusing (to me at least) is that it was based on Ubuntu version with the name "Precise Pangolin."
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has all I'd want from a Linux distribution really: rolling release, great package management, comprehensive documentation, lots of system configuration options available such as forgoing systemd. The community and developers have always seemed very friendly and knowledgeable as well.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

because where else you can mask/ban Poettering on your system like so:
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# http://0pointer.de/lennart/projects/?C=M;O=D
net-dns/avahi
net-p2p/syrep
sys-auth/pam_dotfile
sys-auth/nss-mdns
sys-auth/nss-myhostname
www-apache/mod_dnssd
sys-apps/ifplugd
sys-apps/systemd
dev-libs/libdaemon
net-libs/libasyncns
net-analyzer/ifmetric
net-analyzer/mdns-scan
media-libs/libcanberra
media-sound/paprefs
media-sound/pulseaudio
media-sound/pavumeter
media-sound/pavucontrol
media-sound/pulseaudio-ctl

and still not be judged by the distro's community...
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

etnull wrote:
because where else you can mask/ban Poettering on your system like so:
Quote:
# http://0pointer.de/lennart/projects/?C=M;O=D
net-dns/avahi
net-p2p/syrep
sys-auth/pam_dotfile
sys-auth/nss-mdns
sys-auth/nss-myhostname
www-apache/mod_dnssd
sys-apps/ifplugd
sys-apps/systemd
dev-libs/libdaemon
net-libs/libasyncns
net-analyzer/ifmetric
net-analyzer/mdns-scan
media-libs/libcanberra
media-sound/paprefs
media-sound/pulseaudio
media-sound/pavumeter
media-sound/pavucontrol
media-sound/pulseaudio-ctl

and still not be judged by the distro's community...


IMO the judging tone of many users and even mods/devs have been noticeably increasing in the last decade in this regard. There is this vibe I've been getting when reading these forums lately, consisting in putting people who are willingly and openly trying to avoid Poettering's aggressive influence in the linux world into the "hysteria" bag in a rather passive way. This vibe I am talking about kind of relates, in my opinion, to the -often used in a derogatory manner- calling "conspiracy theorist" to anyone questioning simple world events, which might or might not need more public attention due to inconsistencies or whatever. Anyhow, I understand in other places the situation is completely out of control, which might be the reason this corner still deliver that taste you mentioned above: "and still not be judged by the distro's community..."
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only things I'm using from the proposed Poettering block list is avahi, libcanberra, and libdaemon. I'm masking systemd and pulseaudio and otherwise, I don't see any reason to mask things that are actually helpful to me on a day-to-day basis.

Packages are not cursed just because they carry a particular developers fingerprints.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Packages are cursed if they are hosted in a data center built on an ancient Indian burial ground.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hu wrote:
Packages are cursed if they are hosted in a data center built on an ancient Indian burial ground.
That wasn't a Poettergeist joke was it? I presume not. I'll see myself out.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hu wrote:
Packages are cursed if they are hosted in a data center built on an ancient Indian burial ground.

I had no idea ...
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
That wasn't a Poettergeist joke was it? I presume not. I'll see myself out.
It was not. Although the thread was about projects that Poettering has worked on, I was only thinking of the second paragraph of the preceding post, and didn't even think of making your joke.
figueroa wrote:
I had no idea ...
When constructing a data center, it's important to watch for subtle clues, such as the presence of a sacred token ring, or a fire suppression system that activates when the installers dance to the music of certain streaming services.
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