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What console seat management do you use on your workstation?
consolekit/consolekit2
15%
 15%  [ 7 ]
elogind
28%
 28%  [ 13 ]
systemd (systemd-logind)
8%
 8%  [ 4 ]
Something else...explain?
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
I do not use seat management (the way UN*X always was)
46%
 46%  [ 21 ]
Don't know
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:14 pm    Post subject: Consolekit? elogind? systemd-logind? None? Reply with quote

Well, I'm curious what the distribution is like for Gentoo users that use Gentoo as a workstation.

So: for your most often used Gentoo machine that you sit at and do work/play/whatever, what console management system do you use if any?

Do NOT count servers or other machines that you connect via network only. If a server just so happens to be the machine you sit at console, then count it.

Note that this is not counting whether you use a graphical login manager, but rather a console seat manager. You probably chose one when you chose to install a desktop environment, so curious what you use. If you use more than one system, then just pick one you use.

Just wondering how soon consolekit might get lastrited in portage due to lack of use :(
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eccerr0r,

/etc/portage/package.mask:
# an over my dead body hard mask
# dump GNOME and anything else that has this as a hard dependency at any version
sys-apps/systemd

# go back to a static /dev
sys-fs/eudev
sys-fs/udev

sys-auth/polkit
sys-auth/consolekit
media-sound/pulseaudio
#depends on  ... at 008 and I've never fixed it
>=sys-apps/usbutils-008


elogind is use flag controlled meanwhile but I've Got a Little List.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't use anything, I really don't need it as I'm a mere simple user. :)
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

*kit-free kde5/plasma with no seat management (no consolekit, no elogind).
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

elogind. Converted from ConsoleKit a year ago because Microsoft made Skype for Linux dependent on systemd-logind. A choice between the devil and the deep blue sea, because ConsoleKit is/was nothing to write home about:

https://davmac.wordpress.com/2015/09/03/d-bus-consolekit-policykit-turds-upon-turds-upon-turds/
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like most of the several billion Linux users on the planet, I have one seat and multiple devices. I don't need middle management for my ass.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

elogind, mostly because of Skype
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Elogind, Kms moderating needs root and the only way with running Xorg or Wayland as root is elogind. Now I wish if someone could create the elogind alternative that just does that and have Xorg and Wayland use is it.

Personally I do no care about elogind or systemd for that matter but have 100 issues with Pam polkit and glibc nsswitch stuff.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think your question is badly ask, you should more seek "who the fuck use seats"? rather than if anyone use this or that for seats

For now even ones answering "i use elogind" are telling you they don't use it for that purpose.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

krinn wrote:
I think your question is badly ask, you should more seek "who the fuck use seats"? rather than if anyone use this or that for seats

For now even ones answering "i use elogind" are telling you they don't use it for that purpose.

Well, eccerr0r also wrote "Just wondering how soon consolekit might get lastrited in portage due to lack of use :(" so I think it's fair enough for people who use a single-seat machine to answer as well. Actually, I have been wondering the same thing myself.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use elogind because of sys-auth/polkit, but I'm trying to get rid of both.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This summarizes how I use my workstations: I put in a chair for my computer even though I'm mostly the only one sitting in them. I let other people sit in it when they come but mostly it's still my seat. I suspect others install a seat on their one console machine for whatever reason too. So yes, people using a single seat should answer, don't care of reason but you're welcome to share as some have (skype... booo....), just wanted to know what brand of chair.

Main reason for using seats for me is that the DE integration with udisks/power seems more seamless for whoever is logged into the console. I've gotten too lazy to make unique mounts with sudo for each and every USB and SD card/cdrom/... I plug in, it's very nice that the integration automatically creates its own nonconflicting directory and mounts with a click - for just about any mass storage device for the user sitting at console. Just too convenient, saves me a lot of effort keeping track of temporary mount points which had gotten really unwieldy for me.

The type of chair had been consolekit for me a long time, though I now have systems of all three flavors of chairs...
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ant P. wrote:
Like most of the several billion Linux users on the planet, I have one seat and multiple devices. I don't need middle management for my ass.


With people like you influencing me I have ended up with /etc/portage/package.mask/complications
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net-dns/avahi
sys-apps/systemd
sys-auth/consolekit
sys-auth/elogind
sys-auth/polkit
sys-fs/udisks
sys-libs/pam
sys-libs/pambase
sys-power/upower

and I like how this system functions. I never edit policy files to appease the middle manager for my ass. slim[-consolekit,-pam] works well for this system. halt and reboot are commands given to slim rather than menu items in a DE.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even inside a de/dm you don't need *kit/*logind to execute shutdown/reboot, you just need the ability to execute scripts and/or aliases along with sudo.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I, in fact, have been setting up multi-seated setups. Currently I have none, but I keep elogind installed for future multi-seat madness. :P
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anon-E-moose wrote:
Even inside a de/dm you don't need *kit/*logind to execute shutdown/reboot, you just need the ability to execute scripts and/or aliases along with sudo.


There's no even need for sudo.
chmod u+s can do the job.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got two seats: a folding chair and a yoga ball. I have yet to figure out their configuration in respect to gentoo. They JustWork[tm].
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wuzzerd wrote:
I got two seats: a folding chair and a yoga ball.
I'll raise the stakes: My car has a five-seat configuration.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

arnvidr wrote:
I use elogind because of sys-auth/polkit, but I'm trying to get rid of both.

...aaaaaand they're gone.

Had to adjust some USE flags to avoid some packages activating consolekit again, but looks good so far.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like to get rid of polkit. The configuration alone is one big reason. Another is webkit depency.
But since I want to keep elogind, I guess I have no choice.

Someone, please, make a lightweight, easily configurable, drop-in replacement for polkit? Anyone? :(
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What webkit dependency? And I don't remember configuring polkit manually at all.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought the Gentoo devs did pretty good with polkit default configuration, the only troubles I had were a long, long time ago.

The nasty dependency of polkit is now spidermonkey - the javascript interpreter. As much as I dislike the decision to use javascript, it does add if-then-else configureability to policy.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use consolekit cause the Gentoo Awesome WM wiki suggests it and I've been too lazy to explore whether it's really a hard-dependency.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

asturm wrote:
What webkit dependency? And I don't remember configuring polkit manually at all.

Sorry. Meant spidermonkey.

I once had a need to configure it for some program. Probably outside of official Gentoo packages.
I think I eventually ditched the program for something else.
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