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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 6:06 pm    Post subject: [agile] first experiences Reply with quote

got a new job and as it is currently popular the management system is Agile (like that agile that amazon.com invented).
every day we have a meeting with the same questions like what did you do yesterday and what will you do today.
this is some new kind of popular micromanagement. i hate micromanagement. did you have experiences with this?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Corporate speak for enslavement. "I tell ; you do"
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes it seems to be some kind of enslavement but they let you the option how you want to enslave yourself until now.
also everything is organized in 3 weeks sprints. i mean how can you do a marathon when you are sprinting all the time. that is not sustainable development.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you get paid for answering "stupid questions"?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:54 am    Post subject: Re: [agile] first experiences Reply with quote

e3k wrote:
what did you do yesterday and what will you do today.


I'd be fighting the urge to answer - "after work I went home, cooked dinner - watched some TV, went to bed"

Bloody stupid management fads
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes i get paid for sitting on meetings. i get even paid for taking a crap on the toilet. as we have here a chip supported attendance monitoring it seems i am also paid for sitting on my ass here.
the problem with the daily meetings is that it works like chinese torture with the drop falling on your head. i prefer ad hoc meetings to regular ones. also i prefer not to speak about yesterday as the work is done and i do not have to think about it anymore. a zen approach is to live in present.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:01 am    Post subject: Re: [agile] first experiences Reply with quote

John-Boy wrote:
e3k wrote:
what did you do yesterday and what will you do today.


I'd be fighting the urge to answer - "after work I went home, cooked dinner - watched some TV, went to bed"

Bloody stupid management fads
You haven't answered what you'll be doing today.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:15 am    Post subject: Re: [agile] first experiences Reply with quote

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John-Boy wrote:
e3k wrote:
what did you do yesterday and what will you do today.


I'd be fighting the urge to answer - "after work I went home, cooked dinner - watched some TV, went to bed"

Bloody stupid management fads
You haven't answered what you'll be doing today.


Pretty much the same, I did plan to go out for lunch, decided not to.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay.

Who want's to go next?

Also, before we proceed, I have an update for the team. You know the requirements specification that you have been waiting from customers? Yes, I spoke to the business analyst today and said we're going to implement the same requirements that we did for that other project, except this time it will be super agile.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You haven't enquired as to why I didn't go out for lunch. It may have some bearing.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2019 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why didn't you go to lunch?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2019 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

notageek wrote:
Why didn't you go to lunch?


Too late now, you've moved the meeting on.

For the curious though, I stained two doors - one garden and the other up me entry. Anyhow, normally they're dry enough to at least shut after three hours.

But.

Despite starting at 7am they weren't. I couldn't leave me back passage open, so I missed lunch.

Here's the odd bit. The inside of the door dried as expected !
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From a product manager perspective, agile is an odd one.
For a system analyst it's great - you don't have to write one long specs document, while constantly forgetting things and repeatedly going back and forth in order to update details and insert changes. I love user stories, it's much cleaner approach.
For project management it's a nightmare (at least at my work) - while PM's aim for delivery, the devs only care about scoring points and dragging bugs from one sprint to another, without any dedication for the project's goals and timelines.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it is fucking micromanagement i tell you!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What happen to dia?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The people who don't like it are the lazy shammers who like to pound pud in their cozy little cubicle, can't even manage one task, and take forever to get anything accomplished. Everybody else actually likes to talk about what they did yesterday and what they intend to accomplish today.

If you don't being asked to take a tiny bit of responsibility for yourself, they have opening for a Greeter down at Walmart. And coffee is for closers.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

evidently not. i know some lazy people who admired agile to motivate them more. but for people who are doing their job anyway it is just an additional annoyance. best management approach is the ninja stile. you should not know there is some.

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The individual is the basic unit in society.
The individual has a natural right to freedom.
The physical order of nature is a harmonious and self-regulating system.
Corporations are creatures of the state and therefore the citizenry must watch them closely due to their propensity to disrupt the Smithian spontaneous order.

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