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wswartzendruber
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What's to talk about? Take the perp and hang his ass on the steps of the national capitol building.
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| wswartzendruber wrote: | | What's to talk about? Take the perp and hang his ass on the steps of the national capitol building. |
^ This, nobody thinks he shouldn't be punished to the fullest extent of NZ law.
| gentooP4 wrote: | | NZ has been in mourning for over a week now but the people have come together in amazing ways to support their Muslim communities. |
The only thing really amazing is how quickly the NZ government is going full authoritarian.
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it doesn't fit the left is always wrong and violent narrative here.
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| juniper wrote: | | it doesn't fit the left is always wrong and violent narrative here. |
No, the left is just violent most of the time. Did anyone here actually say the left is always violent?
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I've read his manifesto, I saw the entire archived 8chan thread the killer posted. He specifically wanted people arguing about his attack, he wanted the media and governments to start censoring speech online to further push the culture war towards violence. The reason I didn't post anything on this is because I don't want to do the killer's bidding!
Good job, gentooP4, you're doing exactly what the killer wanted.
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Huh. I didn't know that. I guess I'll double down on my response.
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| aidanjt wrote: | | The only thing really amazing is how quickly the NZ government is going full authoritarian. |
You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that, it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.
| Muso wrote: | | he wanted the media and governments to start censoring speech online ... I don't want to do the killer's bidding! |
You're safe. NZ already declared victory. First/second by banning weapons, and then (if true) NZ Makes it a Crime to Possess Christchurchs Shooter's Manifesto. | Quote: | Mere possession without knowledge: $2000 fine for a person; corporate offenders $5k fine
Mere possession with knowledge: 10 years in jail, $50k fine; corporate offenders $100k fine
Distributes without knowledge (the "strict liability" part): $3000 fine, corporate offenders $10k fine
Possession with the intent to share: 14 years in jail; corporate offenders $200k fine |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:20 pm Post subject: Re: New Zealand mosque attacks by far right white supremacis |
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Your "Far Right" definition is hilarious, when one considers the shooter stated he was a fan of the totalitarian commies in China.
Maybe your definition of far right is different than mine.
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| pjp wrote: | | Muso wrote: | | he wanted the media and governments to start censoring speech online ... I don't want to do the killer's bidding! |
You're safe. NZ already declared victory. First/second by banning weapons, and then (if true) NZ Makes it a Crime to Possess Christchurchs Shooter's Manifesto. | Quote: | Mere possession without knowledge: $2000 fine for a person; corporate offenders $5k fine
Mere possession with knowledge: 10 years in jail, $50k fine; corporate offenders $100k fine
Distributes without knowledge (the "strict liability" part): $3000 fine, corporate offenders $10k fine
Possession with the intent to share: 14 years in jail; corporate offenders $200k fine |
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You'll love this. The New Zealand government, while arresting people who download or have a copy of the manifesto, are now selling it for $102.20.
Christchurch attacks - press releases
Click on "Exemption info form The Great Replacement". A document will download.
It says "to proceed with a formal application, please note that this will incur a fee of $102.20."
Schizophrenics are more consistent than the NZ lolgov.
Also, all Kiwis : Change your DNS to 8.8.8.8 or 8.8.4.4 to get around your government's mass censorship of the Internet. For some telcoms, forcing ipv4 instead of 6 will work fine.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:41 pm Post subject: Re: New Zealand mosque attacks by far right white supremacis |
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| Old School wrote: | Your "Far Right" definition is hilarious, when one considers the shooter stated he was a fan of the totalitarian commies in China.
Maybe your definition of far right is different than mine. |
Somewhat understandable. According to sources many people rely on, anything bad that happens is "far right." Based on usage, that phrase appears to be the outrageaholic version of "far out."
@Muso
lol
Talk about typical leftist authoritarianism. Manufacturing victimless crimes with the the trifecta: if it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
I don't think China is that efficient, thought probably still more brutal.
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| Muso wrote: | | Good job, gentooP4, you're doing exactly what the killer wanted. |
Yes, a better alternative would be to bury our heads in the sand and say there were good people on both sides.  EVERYONE from the public to the government is talking about this and so they should. If we had talked about this hate sooner it may have been averted. Some positive action has come from the talks - stricter gun control and censoring of hate speech. Our country, our laws and the vast majority of NZ'er are 100% behind these responses from both sides of the political spectrum.
More potential links to right wing extremists unearthed
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/austrian-far-right-activists-home-raided-over-possible-ties-to-alleged-christchurch-gunman/ar-BBVgcP7?ocid=ientp |
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gentooP4
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| juniper wrote: | | it doesn't fit the left is always wrong and violent narrative here. |
Notice how it quickly it descends into censorship, accusations of authoritarian governments and conspiracies. No attempts to condemn it like they would if it was something as simple as a punch in the face.
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1093472.html |
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| Muso wrote: | | FFS, you do realize that "censoring hate speech" is what the killer specifically pointed out as the reason for his own radicalization |
We haven't previously censored hate speech so there goes that reason. I think it's more likely he was radicalised by hanging out with a bunch of right ring foamers on internet forums feeding his bias and egging him on. Oh, any providing click bait right wing opinion pieces like you just have.  |
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| gentooP4 wrote: | | Muso wrote: | | FFS, you do realize that "censoring hate speech" is what the killer specifically pointed out as the reason for his own radicalization |
We haven't previously censored hate speech so there goes that reason. |
Sure you haven't. Count Dankula was arrested for a joke in your country.
Dystopian authoritarianism is not a worthy goal. Fahrenheit 451 and 1984 should not be goals, but you seem to be cheering it on.
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| I think you've got the wrong country |
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| gentooP4 wrote: | | I think you've got the wrong country |
Is Scotland not part of the UK?
Also, here's something for you to ponder
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Yes it is, but we're talking about New Zealand - you know, the shooter? not the UK
Not interested in you links btw |
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| gentooP4 wrote: | | Yes it is, but we're talking about New Zealand not the UK |
| gentooP4 wrote: | | We haven't previously censored hate speech so there goes that reason. |
Did you just change your location from UK to NZ?
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| Muso wrote: | | Here's how insane you guys are... some NZ detective tried to censor an American website. |
You already know that. You've already referred to me as 'you guys... NZ' |
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| gentooP4 wrote: | | Muso wrote: | | Here's how insane you guys are... some NZ detective tried to censor an American website. |
You already know that. You've already referred to me as 'you guys... NZ' |
No, I mean when I looked at your location 10 minutes ago it said UK.
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| gentooP4 wrote: | | Not interested in you links btw |
Of course you aren't. You look at Fahrenheit 451 as an instruction manual.
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| I've never looked at or heard of Fahrenheit 451, let alone used it as an "instruction manual" |
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| gentooP4 wrote: | | I've never looked at or heard of Fahrenheit 451, let alone used it as an "instruction manual" |
it's about censorship for "the greater good", something you're advocating right now.
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If it averts atrocities like this then I'm all for it. Sometimes you need to tackle the bigger issues. We could sit back and do nothing like they do in the USA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shitposting is something you are advocating right now.
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