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platojones
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 Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:26 pm Post subject: Are we supposed to be transitioning to elogind? |
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| Just curious. I'm running KDE and OpenRC. I have no interest in migrating to systemd. Should I be transitioning to elogind as a replacement for something else (consolekit maybe)? I notice the elogind USE flag is enabled by default. |
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fedeliallalinea
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platojones
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| Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Thank you, that link cleared it up. Appreciate the help. |
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asturm
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| Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Well. xorg-server would have ideally waited with default-enabling elogind for the day that we make the transition with desktop profile. |
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devsk
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| Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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| asturm wrote: | | Well. xorg-server would have ideally waited with default-enabling elogind for the day that we make the transition with desktop profile. |
I got an update today where xorg-server is enforcing +elogind. What's up with that? Is it left hand not talking to right hand? |
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wuzzerd
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| Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Apparently I can't use X without elogind and dbus. Why must I use stuff from the systemd[umb] people? |
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ct85711
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| Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Just checking on my system, there isn't any reason why you can't disable that use flag, it is only defaulted to be enabled not forced (forced/masked use flags will be in ()'s ). Though I noticed it seems the devs are trying again to break the systems, by getting rid of suid on it all over (didn't remove the USE flag, more of default to off)... |
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wuzzerd
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| Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| ct85711 wrote: | | Just checking on my system, there isn't any reason why you can't disable that use flag, it is only defaulted to be enabled not forced (forced/masked use flags will be in ()'s ). Though I noticed it seems the devs are trying again to break the systems, by getting rid of suid on it all over (didn't remove the USE flag, more of default to off)... |
Lol, that's what I tried, e.g. setting -elogind in make.conf. Then allowed the monster rebuild of 67 packages.
$ startx gave: | Code: | parse_vt_settings: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (Permission denied)
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asturm
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| Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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| wuzzerd wrote: | | Why must I use stuff from the systemd[umb] people? |
elogind upstream is a fellow Gentoo user. |
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The Main Man
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| Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| So, if one doesn't use KDE / GNOME / Wayland why the must use ? |
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asturm
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| Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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There is no must use. It is a USE use. It is currently just default enabled in an ~arch version of xorg-server, which is currently debated about.
It is not about Plasma and Gnome alone though; I believe it is the only option going forward with Cinnamon/Mate (or what they are called) as well if you want to avoid systemd. And consolekit seems to be pretty much dead. |
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The Main Man
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| Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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Ah ok, I was reading earlier someone said xorg is enforcing it.
I'll check it out soon myself. |
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devsk
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| Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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| My bad. Its not enforced but default on. So, if you have -elogind in make.conf, its all fine. |
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The Main Man
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| Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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Well, reports are true, just found that out myself.
It's not enforced but it's default, problem is that with -elogind in make.conf xorg wouldn't start, permission denied.
Removing -elogind from make.conf and all is good.
So, I guess there's some work to be done here in order for -elogind to work. |
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dantrell
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| Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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| kajzer wrote: | | So, I guess there's some work to be done here in order for -elogind to work. |
For the record, per commits bdd4b33 and 3497dfa, the change that took place was: USE="elogind -suid".
So to rollback the changes, what you wanted was probably: USE="-elogind suid" (specifically for x11-base/xorg-server and not in make.conf).
Of course, as of commit a50bfd2 this is now moot.
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The Main Man
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| Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:17 am Post subject: |
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"-elogind suid" works.
Thanks! |
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wuzzerd
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| Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:24 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks, a50bfd2 came out when I wasn't looking and saved the day. |
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eccerr0r
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| Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:22 am Post subject: |
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Will consolekit be deprecated someday soon by favoring elogind?
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bunder
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apparently consolekit hasn't been maintained for a few years now...
https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/ConsoleKit/
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asturm
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| Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:24 am Post subject: |
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| The paint has been coming off of consolekit installs for a long time now. After the switch to elogind is made I will make no promises for keeping consolekit support in Plasma. |
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Fitzcarraldo
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Well, not as long ago as that Web page indicates, as it was forked in 2014 and is now referred to as ConsoleKit2:
https://github.com/ConsoleKit2/ConsoleKit2
It is the ConsoleKit2 package that is used in Gentoo, as can be seen in the sys-auth/consolekit ebuild:
| Code: | $ head -n 15 /usr/portage/sys-auth/consolekit/consolekit-1.2.1.ebuild
# Copyright 1999-2018 Gentoo Authors
# Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2
EAPI=6
inherit autotools libtool linux-info pam xdg-utils
MY_PN=ConsoleKit2
MY_P=${MY_PN}-${PV}
DESCRIPTION="Framework for defining and tracking users, login sessions and seats"
HOMEPAGE="https://github.com/ConsoleKit2/ConsoleKit2 https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/ConsoleKit"
SRC_URI="https://github.com/${MY_PN}/${MY_PN}/releases/download/${PV}/${MY_P}.tar.bz2"
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So it has not been updated in only a year.
That said, even though my installations were working OK with OpenRC+Consolekit, I was forced to migrate from ConsoleKit to elogind anyway because I use Skype, which requires either systemd or OpenRC+elogind.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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Just to clarify, on today's sync I get: x11-base/xorg-server-1.20.4:0/1.20.4::gentoo USE="glamor ipv6 suid udev xorg -debug -dmx -doc -elogind% -kdrive -libressl -minimal (-selinux) -static-libs -sys -wayland -xcsecurity -xephyr -xnest -xvfb" 0 KiB
Total: 66 packages (15 upgrades, 51 reinstalls), Size of downloads: 165,707 KiB along with the rebuilds now showing the (-python3_4%) USE flag.
It seems that xorg-server already has both -elogind% and suid set. So- am I good to go? What's my future consolekit status on my ~amd64 KDE and OpenRC systems? Some of the above posts seemed a bit contradictory and confusing- am I just missing something? I'm on default/linux/amd64/17.0/desktop/plasma profile.
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/KDE#Session_tracker helped my understanding somewhat. Will there be an eselect news item for this, or an announcement when and if we must move to elogin and/or/ drop consolekit?
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nick_gentoo
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| Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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| wrc1944 wrote: | | Some of the above posts seemed a bit contradictory and confusing- am I just missing something? I'm on default/linux/amd64/17.0/desktop/plasma profile. |
The elogind and -suid flags were briefly set on xorg-server and were later on reverted. Some people synced after the initial changes and before the revert, and this triggered some updates and raised the question of the initial post. |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks nick_gentoo,
That explains much in my case. What's the consensus about ~amd64 kde users just moving to elogind as explained here? https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Elogind
Any reason or pitfalls not to do so, such as booting problems, etc.? Any estimates on when we will have to adopt elogind?
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| wrc1944 wrote: | | Any reason or pitfalls not to do so, such as booting problems, etc.? |
The only difference I have noticed on my two laptops running KDE under Gentoo (amd64 and ~amd64, respectively) is explained in the following post: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-8267346.html#8267346
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