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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anon-E-moose wrote:
A filesystem that uses dbus *shakes head* what will they think of next


Don't ask. I'm sure they'll think of something, and neither of us will like it.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A write only filesystem ... for the data security :)
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

depontius wrote:
I just had a quick look, and while it's heavily wrapped up in dbus, I didn't see anything about systemd in there.

Naib wrote:
the build calls systemd (which could be patched out) and it only provides statisd.service (which is simple so an openrc init file could be made).


While a case can be made that the distinction between dbus and systemd at this point can be summarized by saying "same difference", I nevertheless contend that my assertion of "totally dependent" is inaccurate.

What I should have said is that the new filesystem is partly dependent on vomit, and totally dependent on diarrhea.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a nice bug

https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/11026
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Naib wrote:
This is a nice bug

https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/11026


The job isn't done till it BSOD's :wink:
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anon-E-moose wrote:
Naib wrote:
This is a nice bug

https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/11026


The job isn't done till it BSOD's :wink:
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Naib wrote:
This is a nice bug

https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/11026


"If it ain't broke - don't fix it!" Words that RH should have taken to heart.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While this is actually a polkit bug, this bit is odd...
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@mbiebl thank you! I was also going to write that according to https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/polkit/polkit/blob/master/README it's possible to report security vulnerabilities privately by sending them to dbus-security@lists.freedesktop.org but it seems to be too late.


sort of advocating private submissions of security vulnerabilities
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Naib wrote:
This is a nice bug

https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/11026

It's a valid bug, but at the same time anyone who does things like giving their user an ID above 2 billion deserves to keep the pieces.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My bigger concern with that is how Polkit decided to map a failed assertion into a successful authentication. Security systems should fail-secure, not fail-open. In this case, users with unhandled IDs should have been forced to be unauthenticated, ignoring configuration, rather than forced to be authenticated. Now I wonder what other circumstances could allow an unauthorized user to crash Polkit and be improperly treated as authorized.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm mildly disgusted but not at all surprised. Polkit is Javascript that hands out root access. It probably won't be long before a hole shows up that takes advantage of its "interesting" number encoding system.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is very revealing. I think besides having "-policykit" in global flags, I should also add "sys-auth/polkit" to package.mask.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is very revealing. I think besides having "-policykit" in global flags, I should also add "sys-auth/polkit" to package.mask.


A while back I unpicked the few *kits that were installed on my main PC, then realised I actually had no use for PAM or even sudo on that machine either. Peeling off the layers of pointless complexity is refreshing... if you use a decent window manager there's no need for any of that FD.o junk.

I use sudo loads on other, multiuser machines and PAM can be useful in some situations - I've used pam_time and pam_ldap elsewhere, but for my own desktop PC it's nice to just keep things as clean and simple as possible.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use startx w/openbox and have no need of PAM, policykit, consolekit, elogind, etc.
They're more useful for systems with DM's on them and I have no use for a DM.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same here, no sudo, no Pam
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use straight xdm with a hack to launch different desktops on one workstation. On the server I also have straight xdm which launches openbox. The ordinary user's openbox autostart launches xterm and palemoon. That's because the server is located right by the router and cable modem. Palemoon is used to access them via their web interface if I'm down there.
Second workstation has xdm launching mate. Openbox is fine if only a few apps are used and no need for dbus or gconf.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tony0945 wrote:
Openbox is fine if only a few apps are used and no need for dbus or gconf.
a few? I use openbox and well :) tonnes
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Naib wrote:
Tony0945 wrote:
Openbox is fine if only a few apps are used and no need for dbus or gconf.
a few? I use openbox and well :) tonnes

Opinions differ. I like a menu and quick launch icons. I'm actually working on a minimalist application that does that while riding on openbox.

Re "and no need for dbus or gconf". I see that could be construed as my saying that sometimes there is a need for those. That was not my meaning. My meaning was that the absence of thhose requirements is a plus for openbox.

Should have said "If only a few apps are used, nothing more than openbox is needed." i.e. my sister runs nthing but firefox and thunderbird. Openbox would do her fine with both of those in autostart. Instead I put mate on her notebook because it looked a lot like familiar Windows. She went insane when that notebook had Win 8 until a found a shell for her that looked like XP. She still thinks that Mate is "totally different" although the only significant change that I can see is the taskbar at the top instead of the bottom.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tony0945 wrote:
Opinions differ. I like a menu and quick launch icons. I'm actually working on a minimalist application that does that while riding on openbox.


I went from gnome 1 and early 2 to xfce to lxde to just openbox.

I was using the lxde panel for a while, and even tried tint2 but soon got used to keyboard shortcuts, for me, I find them faster than grabbing the mouse and going to the menu. And for those times when I forget an obscure key combo, I made a cheat sheet with xdialog. :lol: OB does have a menu, it's just not auto-generated, so you have to manually add/delete things.

Everyone's different. :wink:

Should be a switch to change the placement of the taskbar.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Should be a switch to change the placement of the taskbar.

I was thinking of making that a build time option, but a run time option wouldn't be hard, would it?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tony0945 wrote:
Naib wrote:
Tony0945 wrote:
Openbox is fine if only a few apps are used and no need for dbus or gconf.
a few? I use openbox and well :) tonnes

Opinions differ. I like a menu and quick launch icons. I'm actually working on a minimalist application that does that while riding on openbox.

Re "and no need for dbus or gconf". I see that could be construed as my saying that sometimes there is a need for those. That was not my meaning. My meaning was that the absence of thhose requirements is a plus for openbox.

Should have said "If only a few apps are used, nothing more than openbox is needed." i.e. my sister runs nthing but firefox and thunderbird. Openbox would do her fine with both of those in autostart. Instead I put mate on her notebook because it looked a lot like familiar Windows. She went insane when that notebook had Win 8 until a found a shell for her that looked like XP. She still thinks that Mate is "totally different" although the only significant change that I can see is the taskbar at the top instead of the bottom.


Meh :) I have quicklaunch that are hand crafted (terminal browser etc) but then I make use of obmenu to auto-generated the main tree
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tony0945 wrote:
Anon-E-moose wrote:
Should be a switch to change the placement of the taskbar.

I was thinking of making that a build time option, but a run time option wouldn't be hard, would it?


Every panel/taskbar I've looked at had a configuration option for placement top/bottom/sides, look into the config options.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, have polkit (0.115)

But can't reproduce the bug and I don't use systemd.
So it seems a combination of the two?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tony0945 wrote:
... until a found a shell for her that looked like XP. She still thinks that Mate is "totally different" although the only significant change that I can see is the taskbar at the top instead of the bottom.


IceWM has several XP themes for example XP theme which looks fairly similar to XP if that is what you are after ...

I use IceWM, use menumaker to create a basic menu but have custom stuff as well, when I'm running X I tend to launch stuff from the toolbar.
In package.mask amongst others I have systemd, polkit, consolekit, udev and don't have pam installed ...
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