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Draenin
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 Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:31 pm Post subject: Is systemd mandatory for kde/plasma with wayland? |
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I want to set kde/plasma with Wayland. BUT I don't want systemd.
I am reading the documentation, it says:
- For Plasma you need Polkit
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/KDE#Plasma
- Polkit depends on ConsoleKit
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Polkit
Ok, fine. We have: Plasma -> Polkit -> ConsoleKit
Now, if I want Wayland support in Plasma I need elogind. Being elogind Gentoo's developers take on systemd's logind. Oh! isn't it cute? Thank you Wayland developers for making the "new" Linux display server hard-dependent in systemd.
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/KDE#Plasma
Anyway, so now we have: Wayland -> elogind.
And here comes the problem: "[When] enabling elogind support...[i]t's also recommended to disable support for other session trackers [e.g. Consolekit] to avoid conflicts".
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Elogind
Summing things up, Plasma wants ConsokeKit (because of Polkit), and Wayland wants elogind. But ConsoloKit and elogind don't get well together. So the final choices are:
1) Kde/Plasma with X11.
2) Kde/Plasma with Wayland AND systemd.
Is that it? or am I reading things wrong? I know nobody cares but in my case I think that would mean "bye bye Wayland". I don't know, I haven't completely made my mind yet.
Thanks in advance for the info.
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asturm
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:34 pm Post subject: Re: Is systemd mandatory for kde/plasma with wayland? |
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No.
| Draenin wrote: | I want to set kde/plasma with Wayland. BUT I don't want systemd.
I am reading the documentation, it says:
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In short, you want to start reading from the top of the documentation: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/KDE#Prerequisites
The guide would be structured a bit differently if the choice of session manager would somehow depend on Polkit. Maybe the services section should be re-ordered though...
This is wrong, apparently that wiki page needs updates. A bit further down though it clarifies: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Polkit#USE_flags
| Draenin wrote: | | Thank you Wayland developers for making the "new" Linux display server hard-dependent in systemd. |
Wayland is not a server at all. It is a protocol, and KWin is one compositor implementing that protocol. |
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Draenin
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:49 pm Post subject: Re: Is systemd mandatory for kde/plasma with wayland? |
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Yes, the USE flags section indicates otherwise. The Prerequisites section needs a small update.
| asturm wrote: | | Draenin wrote: | | Thank you Wayland developers for making the "new" Linux display server hard-dependent in systemd. |
Wayland is not a server at all. It is a protocol, and KWin is one compositor implementing that protocol. |
Your are right. I stand corrected.
ASturm, thank you for the information. It was helpful.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:55 pm Post subject: Re: Is systemd mandatory for kde/plasma with wayland? |
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| Draenin wrote: |
Yes, the USE flags section indicates otherwise. The Prerequisites section needs a small update. |
I've tried to make some adjustments there. (it's a wiki, everyone can) |
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