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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:40 pm    Post subject: Leaving Gentoo for Arch Reply with quote

[Moderator edit: Changed title to try to avoid disturbing readers. Original title was Going to die this night. -Hu]

By my own hand. Running Arch now... Gentoo is great, if one doesn't have OCD that's all I have can say about that. Good bye!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good luck.

Gentoo isn't for everyone, it does have a (sometimes steep) learning curve.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you. It will be easy.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You will be back :)
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No! Good BYe!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whatever.

If you've got a problem and won't explain what it is so it can be fixed, it probably isn't the distro at fault.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread title alarmed me 8O More so because I was told last week that the biggest killer among men under 50 in this country is suicide!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What country? Maybe ayeyes lives in a country where average people even do not make it to 50.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The UK. No idea what country ayeyes lives in.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

josephg wrote:
This thread title alarmed me 8O More so because I was told last week that the biggest killer among men under 50 in this country is suicide!


I'm glad I'm not the only one popping in here out of genuine concern. I feel silly for thinking it could be serious, but people cry out for help in all sorts of different ways. I'm glad OP is just leaving to Arch!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

paintchip wrote:
josephg wrote:
This thread title alarmed me 8O More so because I was told last week that the biggest killer among men under 50 in this country is suicide!


I'm glad I'm not the only one popping in here out of genuine concern. I feel silly for thinking it could be serious, but people cry out for help in all sorts of different ways. I'm glad OP is just leaving to Arch!

I'd rather death than to leave Gentoo behind... Unless it were Slackware.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bye now!

FWIW I think Arch is much more difficult than Gentoo, and I found the forums to be singularly unfriendly. Not rude, just not chatty or welcoming.

Others obviously disagree with me though, so I wish you well.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1clue wrote:
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I found the forums to be singularly unfriendly. Not rude, just not chatty or welcoming.
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We have time to discuss when chromium is building ;)
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good luck with whatever you use, ayeyes.

My feeling is you'll be back, within 2 years or so.

That's a good thing too.

In any event, hopefully you learnt a great deal about Linux under-the-hood; it will all be useful to you in future.


Two things, if you have time. Firstly, please don't go bad-mouthing Gentoo as a distro. If you must criticize, could you do so here first?
If you must rant about us elsewhere (as is your right ofc): preferably not til you have been on another system for at least 6 months.

ie: allow a cooling-off period, and at least give us some sort of chance to respond to the specific (which might just be with: "Yeah, you're right, that sucks." If it's not a social issue: "Here's how I got round it.." because we're geeks, and even if you're leaving we like to talk about problems solved much more than problems extant.)

Secondly, do let us know what we can do better in the future.
Again, be specific: it's fine for you to rant here, as you're amongst friends who know how it feels to tear your hair out at some stupidity or another (of which there are plenty in FLOSS.)

Every developer worth the name comes from this userbase, so even if it feels like no-one is listening, and it won't have any effect; it will, nonetheless by adding to our cultural experience, and hopefully influencing some youngster who might become an ebuild-developer in the next few years.

With good wishes for your future,
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haven't you heard Gentoo is dead? I've heard there is a great operating system by Microsoft, it is called Windows 10. Among other benefits of using it it also stores all your personal data at Microsoft, so even if some virus eats it up your secrets are still safe at Microsoft servers.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

imo, NIxOS is the only one way from Gentoo.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jaglover wrote:
Haven't you heard Gentoo is dead?
That's because it's long been known that Gentoo sucks and will ultimately die.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As it happens, I've been playing with arch for about a week now. It's nice to install it as fast as you can download, and the documentation is a bit easier to follow. I've spent days trying to get X to run fast on arch, but it's still benchmarking significantly better under gentoo, even running the same kernel (file). If I have to recompile kernel, mesa, etc. to get the same performance on my laptop, I don't see the point in switching.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to say I can't for the life of me see what the attraction is with Arch. I gave it a go myself a few months ago just to see what I was missing, but nope... to me it's all the drawbacks of a normal distro (Debian / CentOS - stuck with bloated kitchen sink builds that drag in more chewed up mess than the cat does) with the additional drawback that it's a constantly moving target.

Anyway, I don't really mind what other people inflict on themselves so long as Gentoo remains a working "distro", allowing me to run my nice clean desktop without any Poetteringware or similar rot.

Maybe that's why I don't find Gentoo a hassle to run when others clearly do - I'm not trying to maintain a bloated mess of a system full of stuff like Gnome or KDE with layer upon layer of unnecessary tat?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slackware. They gave in and made PulseAudio part of standard (because at some point there was no alternative for bluetooth audio), but otherwise it is a solid distro.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marcih wrote:
paintchip wrote:
josephg wrote:
This thread title alarmed me 8O More so because I was told last week that the biggest killer among men under 50 in this country is suicide!


I'm glad I'm not the only one popping in here out of genuine concern. I feel silly for thinking it could be serious, but people cry out for help in all sorts of different ways. I'm glad OP is just leaving to Arch!

I'd rather death than to leave Gentoo behind... Unless it were Slackware.

Jaglover wrote:
Slackware. They gave in and made PulseAudio part of standard (because at some point there was no alternative for bluetooth audio), but otherwise it is a solid distro.

Is there an alternative for bluetooth audio in Gentoo?

PS: I don't use bluetooth in Gentoo. Just curious.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anon-E-moose wrote:
Good luck.

Gentoo isn't for everyone, it does have a (sometimes steep) learning curve.


Very much this. It takes quite a bit of reading and google-fu to get comfortable with it.

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You will be back :)


8)

Pretty sure Arch switched to SystemD, that's enough to keep me away.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@josephg

Code:
* media-sound/bluez-alsa
     Available versions:  (~)1.3.0 (~)1.3.1 **9999 {aac debug hcitop static-libs ABI_MIPS="n32 n64 o32" ABI_PPC="32 64" ABI_S390="32 64" ABI_X86="32 64 x32"}
     Homepage:            https://github.com/Arkq/bluez-alsa
     Description:         Bluetooth Audio ALSA Backend

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks Jaglover, i see that in slackware too.
http://slackbuilds.org/repository/14.2/libraries/bluez-alsa/
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, but they still have PA as a part of installation. Slack is not Gentoo, you can't turn parts you don't want off that easy. They integrated PA because of bluez5 had PA as hard dependency.
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