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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:10 am    Post subject: [split] Gentoo leaves democracy Reply with quote

User: 1clue
Topic: Gentoo leaves democracy
Post: post 8208990
Reason: they are suggesting (unambiguously) that mv is using a sockpuppet account (a violation of the guidelines) for some nefarious purpose. Given their exchanges in that thread that seems to me an attempt to slur mv's character, and a personal insult.

Thanks. The account does seem likely to be a duplicate, but for now at least they're behaving. I'll monitor for now, though someone else may decide to nip it in the bud. --pjp

pjp ... I wasn't reporting the account suspected of being a sockpuppet, I was reporting the fact that 1clue's post suggests that mv is behind it (though 1clue has subsequently stated this was "not the intent"). I read this as an attempt to slur, insult, or incite, mv ... and so a violation of the guidelines. That may not be the case, but you should at minimum speak to both mv, and 1clue about it.

Thanks for your feedback. At the time, I did not come to the same conclusion and instead chose to monitor. Fortunately, I did not notice an escalation of behavior. I prefer to afford people the opportunity to behave as adults and only step in when needed. Text is a method of communication that does not lend itself well to clarity. Stepping in too soon can cause its own problems, including an unnecessary burden to engage in the most minor of misunderstandings. --pjp, 2018.04.19


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Topic: Gentoo leaves democracy
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pjp wrote:
Moved from Gentoo Chat to Off the Wall as it now fits much better there.

Can this be moved back to the relevant subforum, thanks.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

khayyam wrote:
Topic: Gentoo leaves democracy
Reason:

pjp wrote:
Moved from Gentoo Chat to Off the Wall as it now fits much better there.

Can this be moved back to the relevant subforum, thanks.
If other moderators and admins disagree with my decision, I won't object.

It was moved because of:
- very early off-topic discussion of general politics.

Eventually:
- Trump
- Porn

Those categories of discussion are not appropriate outside of Off The Wall.

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pjp wrote:
Locked while I split off the discussions unrelated to the original post.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

khayyam wrote:
Can this be moved back to the relevant subforum, thanks.

pjp wrote:
It was moved because of: - very early off-topic discussion of general politics.

pjp ... as I argued previously, wherever it has strayed into "non-gentoo politics" is due to their being contention about what such "gentoo politics" is.

pjp wrote:
Eventually:
- Trump
- Porn

Both of those occur in only one post, and are not about Trump/porn. If there is a problem with that post then this should be taken up with krinn ... the thread should not be moved because one individual made an ill advised analogy.

pjp wrote:
Those categories of discussion are not appropriate outside of Off The Wall.

I fail to see how "democracy" can be discussed without touching on "general politics", any meta discussion there is relevant to the subject at hand. As for Trump/porn, again, this is one post in a nine page thread ... if moderation is required then it would be best to moderate that one post and not the entire thread.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The general discussion of politics seems to be the bulk of the 9 pages and is a separate discussion from the core thread topic. On f.g.o there exists a place for discussion of general politics.

Because the original topic deserves a voice, I'm going unlock it, possibly temporarily, pending feedback from moderators and admins.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

User: krinn
Topic: Gentoo leaves democracy
Post: post 8210906
Reason: change pornstar with "cinema industry worker", i don't know where should i change trump as i never say that name anywhere myself (if i'm not wrong).

This because i backup khayyam, OTW because i have said "pornstar" really?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

User: krinn
Topic: Gentoo leaves democracy
Post: post 8211236
Reason: now m. siffredi is sending message to his mom instead of a hooker
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
The general discussion of politics seems to be the bulk of the 9 pages and is a separate discussion from the core thread topic. On f.g.o there exists a place for discussion of general politics.

pjp ... I disagree, and your previous comment on this subject contradicts that assessment:

pjp wrote:
The thread briefly detours on page 1 with shells, and then on page 2 with the "nuance of meaning". Unfortunately, there are enough on topic comments to make a split non-trivial.

... that is on page 6, and there is no "general politics" after that point, the discussion that follows is on the non-fact of their being a sockpuppet account, then someone revives the discussion of shells, then it turns to the drobbin's ban, and so gentoo.

pjp wrote:
Because the original topic deserves a voice, I'm going unlock it, possibly temporarily, pending feedback from moderators and admins.

OK, but I don't see why you think it needs to be locked, no-end of discussions have similar digressions, ie:

FSF doesn't endorse Gentoo, which veers into FCC approval, gun modification, RF regulation/lockdown, EM radiation, back to guns, back to FSF, apologies for previous statements, OTW, Clinton pr0n, back to the FSF & GPL, back to EM interference and the law, back to the FSF, kernel blobs, back to the GPL, other FOSS licences, back to the GPL, and ends on distribution models. Other "chat" threads are similarly wide and varied, so off-topic discussion doesn't seem to warrent locking because this is enevitably what happens in chat.

krinn wrote:
This because i backup khayyam, OTW because i have said "pornstar" really?

I'm inclined to see it as those two words in combination, had you said "Clinton pron" it probably would have gone without mention.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Split this from the report thread.
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