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steve_v
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:25 pm    Post subject: I'm back, what's new? Reply with quote

Call me a Debian refugee, or a turncoat begging for forgiveness, either way, I've come crawling back after a literal decade in binary-land. :oops:
I'm totally not fleeing systemd, honest... OpenRC is quite nice though. :P

So how is Gentoo these days? Still got those "gentoo is dead" rumors going around? The forum looks reasonably lively to me.
I'll need to get my compiler foo screwed on straight again before I'll be of much help-the-newbs use though, you guys do still have those, right?

Any new and exciting toys to brea... err, test in the meantime?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, emerge has become much smarter than 10 years ago, and from my user's perspective the distribution is very strong nowadays.

Welcome back!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:48 pm    Post subject: Re: I'm back, what's new? Reply with quote

steve_v wrote:
Still got those "gentoo is dead" rumors going around?
Those rumors seem not to die. But same goes for Gentoo - it's still very well alive. :)

Also if you like systemd, you can have it on Gentoo. ;) Gentoo mainly supports OpenRC and systemd, but you can have others too.

Welcome back to the "choice edition". ;)
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We finally got signed package repositories. Only took a decade...
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bec wrote:
Well, emerge has become much smarter than 10 years ago
I did notice that, and install was very smooth.
bec wrote:
Welcome back!
Aww, thanks :)


Zucca wrote:
Also if you like systemd, you can have it on Gentoo.
I don't hate systemd as some do, but I definitely prefer something a little more hackable, and a little less all-consuming.
I played with openrc on Artix, and it was awesome. Unfortunately the binary-hell of using Artix with arch packages was not.

Zucca wrote:
Welcome back to the "choice edition". ;)
Choice is why I'm back here. Choice in $binary_distro is becoming increasingly difficult, particularly around init.
There are some that still provide options, but right now they're all young and buggy. Most "mainstream" distros involve considerable pain if you stray form the standard configuration.

Ant P. wrote:
We finally got signed package repositories. Only took a decade...
8O Sweet!


Here's where I'd usually report some small problem or ask a silly question... but this install is working so well I have neither. :D

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Oooh, wait, I do have a question: ZFS root? Can I has ZFS root?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

steve_v wrote:
Oooh, wait, I do have a question: ZFS root? Can I has ZFS root?
I haven't used it yet, but it appears so: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/ZFS

You may or may not also be interested in this thread: Gentoo on ZFS.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
I haven't used it yet, but it appears so
Excellent. I have a couple of SSDs coming to play with.
I've been using zfs for data stores pretty much since the zol project released a usable native module, but I've never had / on zfs.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

just a couple notes, that should probably go up on that wiki page...

while genkernel does work, i wouldn't recommend it. you'll wind up with slow boot problems most likely. use dracut instead.

grub also doesn't support half of the feature flags. you don't have to use them, but you might want to switch to efi booting which should allow you to turn on a few more. there are a couple flags that you can't turn on either way, but the zfs/zpool tools should prevent you from setting them if bootfs is set.

Code:
b-pool  feature@async_destroy          enabled                        local
b-pool  feature@empty_bpobj            active                         local
b-pool  feature@lz4_compress           active                         local
b-pool  feature@multi_vdev_crash_dump  disabled                       local <-- this does nothing on linux anyways
b-pool  feature@spacemap_histogram     active                         local
b-pool  feature@enabled_txg            active                         local
b-pool  feature@hole_birth             disabled                       local <-- i left this off for personal/historical reasons
b-pool  feature@extensible_dataset     enabled                        local
b-pool  feature@embedded_data          disabled                       local <-- i left this off for personal/historical reasons
b-pool  feature@bookmarks              enabled                        local <-- everything up to and including here is fine
b-pool  feature@filesystem_limits      disabled                       local
b-pool  feature@large_blocks           disabled                       local
b-pool  feature@large_dnode            disabled                       local
b-pool  feature@sha512                 disabled                       local <-- not bootable
b-pool  feature@skein                  disabled                       local <-- not bootable
b-pool  feature@edonr                  disabled                       local <-- not bootable
b-pool  feature@userobj_accounting     disabled                       local
b-pool  feature@encryption             disabled                       local <-- not available by release, work in progress for boot
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bunder wrote:
while genkernel does work, i wouldn't recommend it. you'll wind up with slow boot problems most likely. use dracut instead.

I have a historical personal dislike of dracut, which I may have to re-evaluate. It's probably related to a general dislike of all things redhat, I was one of those poor sods who used redhat 7 back in 2k.
I expect I'll investigate those genkernel problems first. :P
And yeah, that wiki.

bunder wrote:
grub also doesn't support half of the feature flags.

Thanks for the headsup. Nothing there is a showstopper.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh sorry I knew I forgot to link something...

https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=627320
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bunder wrote:
oh sorry I knew I forgot to link something...
Cheers, I see the patch I want in there.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

steve_v wrote:

I have a historical personal dislike of dracut, which I may have to re-evaluate. It's probably related to a general dislike of all things redhat, I was one of those poor sods who used redhat 7 back in 2k.
I expect I'll investigate those genkernel problems first. :P
And yeah, that wiki.


Bliss-initramfs is nice.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

steve_v wrote:
bec wrote:
Well, emerge has become much smarter than 10 years ago
I did notice that, and install was very smooth.
What you'll notice much more going forward running updates is that soft blockers get handled automatically, handing the required un-merge stuff. Only hard blockers require manual intervention. This was a massive improvement.

Tom
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