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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:55 pm    Post subject: If you orchestrated death Reply with quote

..not being von Triers, or Ingemar Bergman...

I have lived some time, ok? We have all done that. I have come to realise this.
A comfortable one needs family or some kind involved for a comfortable one. It does not depend, right now, how much you have lived in this life. It has to do how you experience death.
For me.

It has to be with me dying in war...(joke). Could not help myself being a stereotype...
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

... you would be Hitler living in Argentina.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I am a still being a living proof of your idea ?
EDIT: And we laughed...*waiving my hands as approval of it*


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hitler died in 1978.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

notageek wrote:
Hitler died in 1978.


:D :D :D I would die a happy man on your side of my death bed.
Anyways, how come?
People do their own assumptions. I am not the most articulate man, but if I was, I would call you racists by just assuming things.

Penetrate the person when being assuming. You are good at it usually. Maybe,...just maybe you have been tired trying to understand. I would be OK with that....I am swedish. OK.
Just assume this then - I can differ an oppinion above sins and promiscuity. I have less limits and maybe at some positions a shit load of different view than you have.
I love what you all do though. Less assumptions, but you are getting there..OK?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EDIT: Appropriate for the thread https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llm3CF88vqo
Joy of the clowns!

Still death becomes us
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

patrix_neo wrote:
notageek wrote:
Hitler died in 1978.


Anyways, how come?
He drank a glass of juice he didn't like.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 6:32 am    Post subject: Re: If you orchestrated death Reply with quote

patrix_neo wrote:
..not being von Triers, or Ingemar Bergman...

I have lived some time, ok? We have all done that. I have come to realise this.
A comfortable one needs family or some kind involved for a comfortable one. It does not depend, right now, how much you have lived in this life. It has to do how you experience death.
For me.

It has to be with me dying in war...(joke). Could not help myself being a stereotype...


(jb attempts to bring thread back on track) - Euthanasia ? No arguments here, if you're terminal go out with dignity (largely) intact. Our clueless lawmakers would prefer to inflict what amounts to torture.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 4:12 pm    Post subject: Re: If you orchestrated death Reply with quote

John-Boy wrote:
patrix_neo wrote:
...I said some stuff,,,


(jb attempts to bring thread back on track) - Euthanasia ? No arguments here, if you're terminal go out with dignity (largely) intact. Our clueless lawmakers would prefer to inflict what amounts to torture.

You keep trying. I love that about you. Steady as a rock.

I think you are about in line with what I think about it(?). Why I made the stereotype thing about dying while fighting. Dignifying feels satisfactory for me. Being alive at the same time. But I don't know. I have to evaluate this stride thing some more though.

Doing what feels the right thing without disgrace to myself is my quest right now. Works so-so. :)
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 4:22 pm    Post subject: Re: If you orchestrated death Reply with quote

John-Boy wrote:
. . . inflict what amounts to torture.


++

Watching my paternal grandfather die as he intentionally starved himself to escape his cancer was gruesome.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what's all the hoopa-loopa about being like Bill Gates trying to 'fix' mankind? Is he like a woman?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Contrary to what everyone thinks, the American medical system not only permits but encourages euthanasia. It is known as "comfort care".
https://www.nia.nih.gov/health/providing-comfort-end-life

Once the death panel puts you on "comfort care", all your medication is stopped and your family (or the nurses) are given access to an arsenal of opiates and sedatives to use at their discretion. They turn off all the monitors of your vitals. At some point, when the drugs have basically incapacitated you, somebody will decide it's a convenient time to take off the air mask or whatever else is necessary to keep you alive.

It's for the good of the many.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bill Gates sees it. And the rest of his sort. What "a beautiful world"
We need to get rid of those better knowing know it all, because they do not get it. The love from their own mothers was constipated to begin with
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bones McCracker wrote:
. . . the death panel . . .


Therein lies the problem.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Besides switzerland's death bed is not a funny matter!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bones McCracker wrote:
Contrary to what everyone thinks, the American medical system not only permits but encourages euthanasia. It is known as "comfort care".


I'm sure the UK had something similar in isolated cases - perhaps a doctor decided that the dose of morphine for a patient should be increased for "pain"or whatever, nowadays with the threat of litigation I can't see it happening.

Before my father passed, he said that he'd be "better off out of it" , and we'd talked about this before (used to like random debates) - a swift injection beats protracted palliative care - this can be done for other animals, time for humans to be granted the same privilege.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bones McCracker wrote:
take off the air mask or whatever else is necessary to keep you alive.
The idea behind euthanasia is to not wait that long (at least based on your description). As an example, see Brittany Maynard. Also, no death panel.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, it's not exactly "proactive" euthanasia, but it's euthanasia nonetheless. I actually think it's a good thing. The part that scares me is that it's not up to you, or your family, to choose the panel of doctors making the decision. At least the decision isn't being made by some Obamacare bureaucrats (at least I hope it's not).
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think most supporters of euthanasia would consider that euthanasia. It misses the point of of why people want the choice.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bones McCracker wrote:
. . . I actually think it's a good thing. . . .


I think so too. I think it is a "good start" at least. The "panel" didn't help my grandfather I already mentioned though.

pjp wrote:
I don't think most supporters of euthanasia would consider that euthanasia. It misses the point of of why people want the choice.


I agree!! As was the case in the link you provided earlier. Many of us want an option before the panel would ever consider us.
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