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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How are people in any way surprised? Welcome to closed source code products asshats. Microsoft has been lying about what most of those patches do anyway. They could just make something up -- no one can really very well prove that the explanation is a lie anyway.

I seriously doubt this patch is actually in any way interesting. More likely someone wrote it and didn't document it and now NO ONE remembers what it does.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wswartzendruber wrote:
The police get their weapons via commercial production lines.
Not always, and certainly not necessarily, especially for department orders, which is in part why I asked. Still, thanks for the clarification on how it has been done in this case.
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Hence, civilians and police have faulty guns while the Army does not. Sig Sauer has stated that Army feedback has led the M17 to have different components from the P320, which was not originally the case.
One wonders if that feedback was due to immediate practical experience, institutional experience, or simply theoretical considerations that turned out to be quite justified in practice.
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One officer has already been shot through the knee when his holstered P320 fell and hit the ground. The holster was removed from his body at the time with the weapon still locked in it.
Given the expected trjectory fo rounds discharge by the type of drop that had been demonstrated, it would seem that he was quite lucky to only have been hit in the knee.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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wswartzendruber wrote:
The police get their weapons via commercial production lines.
Not always, and certainly not necessarily, especially for department orders, which is in part why I asked. Still, thanks for the clarification on how it has been done in this case.

Sorry, that was a definite crock out of me. What I should have said was:

Virtually every gun company that I know of ships the same SKU to military, civilians and police. In the case of the P320, however, the civilians and LEOs are getting one SKU and the military is getting another.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It probably either opens or closes back doors. Having to explain either could be quite messy.


Exactly why that answer was so dodgy.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Google being evil again: https://vivaldi.com/blog/google-return-to-not-being-evil/
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Google being evil again: https://vivaldi.com/blog/google-return-to-not-being-evil/
I'm hoping Google continues to go Full Google-Un and people get the message and go elsewhere.

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I am saddened by this makeover of a geeky, positive company into the bully they are in 2017.
They are and always have been an advertising company. I disagree with the perception that their ethos has changed. The only change is the scope of their dominance. People chose to ignore the warnings signs. Maye because they were perceived to be Tech-Cool, or maybe because Free Stuff. But it isn't really new behavior.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I remember telling you that you were full of it back in the day.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I disagree with the perception that their ethos has changed. The only change is the scope of their dominance. People chose to ignore the warnings signs. Maye because they were perceived to be Tech-Cool, or maybe because Free Stuff. But it isn't really new behavior.


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True. I think it had to do with the perception, rose tinted, that you mentioned of "tech-cool".
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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True. I think it had to do with the perception, rose tinted, that you mentioned of "tech-cool".


Maybe you all have selective memories but when google.com first came out as a search engine it was at least ten times faster than any other option available at the time. Mind you I'm talking 1998.

That's not a perception that was a measurable result. Did that lead to later a "tech-cool" perception, more than likely. I'm just saying that when it first came out it WAS cool, measurably so.

It seems "everyone else" has more or less caught up. Isn't that supposed to be the beauty of capitalism? They came along and performed better, which caused their competition to get better.

Am I sure that Google is behaving in ways I approve of? No, I am in no way sure. I don't let that cloud the reality of what put them on the map "late in the game" of the internet boom.

Just sayin'.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Maybe you all have selective memories but when google.com first came out as a search engine it was at least ten times faster than any other option available at the time. Mind you I'm talking 1998.

That's not a perception that was a measurable result. Did that lead to later a "tech-cool" perception, more than likely. I'm just saying that when it first came out it WAS cool, measurably so.
I don't recall "faster." I recall the minimal interface and better results without clutter. They no longer have a minimal interface, and the results are full of clutter. But it was a better product. My comment about Tech-Cool was that it clouded the judgement of users on the company as a whole.

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It seems "everyone else" has more or less caught up.
Who and at what? I don't agree that anyone has really caught up. I guess we'd have to get into the weeds.

Google had to play catch-up to Apple, and I'd say they've mostly done that. And I'd argue that it is due in large part to Google's dominance elsewhere rather than a particularly great product (the product being a bit like VHS vs. BetaMa). I think Google has surpassed Apple in total handsets, for whatever that is worth. I don't see anyone chipping away at Apple's cult followers, so no real growth there.

Search? No real competition. Ad network? Last I heard, nothing meaningful. Video? Not even close.

AWS dominates cloud services. From what I've read, Google offers a quality product. I haven't heard anything about their growth. But that isn't being caught.

Social media came after Google, and those companies dominate. That isn't really competition or being caught.

I can't think of a single area which Google was a major player and has had to meaningfully compete. So I don't particularly see the relevance of the capitalism reference.

BonezTheGoon wrote:
Am I sure that Google is behaving in ways I approve of? No, I am in no way sure. I don't let that cloud the reality of what put them on the map "late in the game" of the internet boom.
I don't think anyone else is talking about what put them on the map. At least I wasn't referring to that.

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Just sayin'.
I was specifically referring to Google "behaving in ways" which myself and others don't approve.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wswartzendruber wrote:
Sorry, that was a definite crock out of me. What I should have said was:

Virtually every gun company that I know of ships the same SKU to military, civilians and police. In the case of the P320, however, the civilians and LEOs are getting one SKU and the military is getting another.
Sorry, I had just meant that for whatever reason I was under the impression that the milspec version was being marketed for departmental orders, not that you had been unclear.

BonezTheGoon wrote:
Maybe you all have selective memories but when google.com first came out as a search engine it was at least ten times faster than any other option available at the time. Mind you I'm talking 1998.
I do not remember it being notably faster on a query response basis, mostly just being better at producing relevant results from simple queries. Given that my tendency was to use the "advanced query" features that were available at the time, it was not much of a motivator for me to use it over competing sites, which steadily went away over time.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not just google, the whole valley are full of control freaks ( Damore, google leaker ).
Easy getting fired for thinking wrong that is.

I thought this was just as much corp culture as it's political.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that "lolcorp" and "lolgov" have some intersection here, because most of these people love the idea of big government.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I kind of agree. I was on the fences on this one.
...Oh well, it went here anyways.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Future historians will look back and say, "this was how WW3 started".
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Future historians will look back and say, "this was how WW3 started".

The Buns of August?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Future historians will look back and say, "this was how WW3 started".

The Buns of August?


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These are not the buns you're looking for.

SFW tag next time!
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The Rise and Fall of the Third Shift
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The Rise and Fall of the Third Shift
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Night of the Long Shoes.
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Night of the Long Shoes.

Nice.
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